Hagartech: "I suggest you look at the bbc map of seats, most of the country in area is blue, conservative. They actually reckon that more people over the whole country voted conservative than labour, but due to the boundaries and number of them in ceratin areas, labour won. If the vote was a vote rather than this seat based thing, the tories would have got in easy"
Constituencies are broken up in terms of population, not area, that's why there are some massively bigger than others. The average constituency has around 70,000 eligible voters. And in the urban areas, Labour has the vote, whilst in the countryside areas, Conservatives are most popular. Also, I checked out the actual voting figures for the share of the total vote (not the number of seats):
Lab: 35.2%
Con: 32.3%
LD: 22%
Others: 10.5%
So there you go - more people voted Labour than Tory.
Thanks noodle, i hoped somebody would fall for my red herring .
Labour got 356 seats the tories got 197 seats, thats straight of the BBC.
Now on a pure percenatage if the boundaries are fair, the tories should have:
645 * 0.323 = 208.335
say 208.
Variance: -5.288%
and labour should have
645 * 0.352 = 227.04
say 227
Variance: +56.82%
So there is discrpeancies in the boundaries in favour of the labour party by a large percent, almost 62 percent. Proving your spiel about boundaries based on population to be a untrue .
I would not trust the bbc anyway, the paper said the tories had over 100,000 more votes than the labour.
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8th May, 2005 at 11:26:44 -
"The paper"
Hahah, which one, the Mail or the Express maybe? You can argue about the electoral system till the cows come home but it won't get any fairer. If we had proportional representation, we'd get a hung parliament, and nothing at all would get done.
Unless Labour & the Libs form a coalition, that is... (tbh I don't know if that would still apply under PR)
I would trust the BBC more than any paper as they have to be apolitical. It's quite obvious that all papers have some degree of bias. Incidentally, what's your constituency?
"Labour got 356 seats the tories got 197 seats, thats straight of the BBC.
Now on a pure percenatage if the boundaries are fair, the tories should have:
645 * 0.323 = 208.335
say 208.
Variance: -5.288%
and labour should have
645 * 0.352 = 227.04
say 227
Variance: +56.82%
So there is discrpeancies in the boundaries in favour of the labour party by a large percent, almost 62 percent. Proving your spiel about boundaries based on population to be a untrue."
The boundaries are based on population. All those above figures mean is that is Labour seats there tended to be a close runner-up from the Tory party, that's why they got lots of votes. In Tory seats the Tory tended to have a large majority over the Labour guy. In effect, Labour's won seats were close, yet the Tory won seats won easily.
Labour still had a bigger percentage of the vote anyway. Face it Hagar, your party lost. Fair and square.
Edit: I found the actual numbers of votes - Labour got 9,556,183. Conservatives got 8,772,598. Lib Dems got 5,982,045.
Noodle: Say what you want, but a ~60% differnece from a pure % based on seats shows problems to me . And many seats labour only won by majorities of a 100. Well i hope you enjoy top up tuition fees and other such joys.
CB: Lets just say i'm in the west midlands somewhere and its been labour since year dot. Anyhow i think i'm going to form my own party whith such policies as free cheesey biscuits and tuition fees for students.
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8th May, 2005 at 18:09:32 -
Everyone makes a fuss about tuition fees and top up fees. Seriously, it's not a big deal. If you're unable to pay the government will sub you, easy as that. We're on "low income" because my parents are divorced and I live with my mum. When I apply for uni they do an income assessment based on my mum's wages. If they're not deemed to be earning enough (30k is the threshold, which is a lot) the government pay the tuition fees. The student loan has a low baseline interest rate and you don't have to pay it back until you're earning a certain amount, over 16K or something. I even get a cash grant to boot. It's not like tuition fees have any reason at all to put you off going to uni, and they're not damaging in the long term.
I can't understand the fuss either, one issue does not a manifesto make...
The tuition fee issue is a little confusing because it changes after this year (Pete gets the old system, I would get the new one - as far as I can tell.) Universities will have a maximum fee of £3,000 per year (up from £1,200), so the system has been bumped up somewhat to compensate for this.
You get a full maintenance grant if your income is below 15k - £2,700 per year, plus at least £300 from the uni if your fees are the maximum £3,000 - and partial grants up to 33k.
The loans for fees are linked to inflation so you pay roughly what the course was originally worth, and you only start paying back at 9% of your income once you earn 15k. (And if you really don't want to pay it, they'll write off your debt after 25 years, or if you declare yourself bankrupt, though they're trying to close that loophole!)
I find it quite amusing that if you're as working class as you say you are, then tuition fees would matter very little whichever party was in power.
Very working class, no brand new ford ka or peugot from mommy and daddy. The insurance is cheap and its tax exempt. They even joke about Marina's in Only Fools and Horses, but i guess many people wouldnt get the joke now . And no lets get mommy and daddy to pay for it to go into a garage when something breaks, me and my dad have just changed the water pump, and i have lost the skin off one of my knuckles.
It annoys me that most of the cabinet got degrees on grants they never had to pay back, and are trying charge evryone even more for it. Your probably right tho CB, nothing would change .
Anyhow thats a good point phizzy. Mandatory Mullets is another policy!. I would also ban LCD digital watches, but allow LED ones from the 1970's/1980's. Education would also feature listening to The Who, The Stones, T Rex and the alike. The health scheme would involve mandatory fry ups with baked beans to make them healthy.
thankfully i got into university before the top-up fee's thing, so im safe. but i know a few people who are just going in september, those unlucky buggers. (up to) an extra £3,000 every year in debt... woo! who wouldnt want that
Labour are crap, forgive me for being blunt but they just hand out benefits like theres no tomorrow. theres a guy on my course who can work perfectly, hes completely normal but because hes just slightly deaf (i think theres a loss of about 10dB) he gets a huge paycheck from mr.blair every month, as well as his student loan and his job at macdonalds. which he spends all on getting pissed. and then has the cheek to ask his course mates for money...
this is the same PM who stopped building the Metrolink in Manchester because it was costing too much.
why cant people just be normal, stop taking drugs and work? oooh im so conservative.
lib dems might have been alright, but unless the conservative were voted in the council tax and other tax's are going to sting me for the next 4 years.
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-Bring back Circy's famous mug shot.
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and other such joys.
. And no lets get mommy and daddy to pay for it to go into a garage when something breaks, me and my dad have just changed the water pump, and i have lost the skin off one of my knuckles.
really 
