Hello, I've been visiting this website a while now, mainly just to download and play the latest and greatest games.
Recently I decided to attempt to create my own so I looked into what kind of software was used by people here. I tried out The Games Factory and it didn't seem to be quite what I was looking for.
Multimedia Fusion on the other hand sounded great but I didn't even bother trying out the trial since it's a tad expensive for me, atleast for now that I'm not sure how far along I will go with this.
I then looked for alternatives and after a bit of searching I came up with this little gem of a software called Game Maker. It's been in development quite a long while now, I think by a single person (don't quote me on that), but its quality is excellent - as far as I can tell - and its price, well, cheap. It's very flexible since you can not only use the built-in features but also use the Game Maker Language to use your own code for more advanced things. It also has some limited 3D capabilities but 2D is its main attraction - though I imagine that 3D will be developed further in the future.
It's very simple for beginners assuming they do the tutorials. I've been making some OK - for my level - shmups with it (I won't release any as, well, they aren't anything different/worth a look) and will now concetrate on doing all the tutorials so that I can then get to creating the games I really want to do.
I strongly suggest to everyone that uses The Game Factory and thinks that MMF is too expensive to check this out. Maybe MMF users can also take a look and see what they think of it.
Of course since I haven't used any of the above software much it may end up being worse than both in the long term, I'm just loving it right now.
Unfortunately, the non-registered version of Game Maker has some important features (such as sprite rotation) disabled but there's a registered features demo available as well.
Now that I've introduced this piece of software I'd like to suggest for this website to also cover games created with that. There are some pretty great stuff out there, though not as many as with MMF since the community seems much smaller - or I haven't been to the right place.
Still, I'm sure the merging of the communities would benefit everyone since, for example, there are great artists in both which could make graphics available to everyone and not just users of one or the other program.
Anyway, if anyone tries out Game Maker please do the tutorials as the style is COMPLETELY different to clickteam stuff and so you may, at first, hate it expecting things to be in a certain way and not being able to find what you want. But really, it's extremely simple. Also, the tutorials are by far NOT a showcase of the program's capabilities, they are simply for beginners to manage and start up.
Peace, I hope this post will benefit atleast one of you guys. And hopefully, eventually, this website WILL cover Game Maker stuff and maybe I will be doing some decent stuff by then and be able to submit them! C ya either way.
mr for example, i've used many game development packages before, rpg maker, game maker, and of course tgf, and mmf, and out of them all i found game maker to be the worst, but of course that's my opinion
some people hve said that making rpg's are easier in game maker, but from my experiences, game maker is much worse for rpg games, the application itself has drawbacks from having button symbols, and without words i had no idea what they we're supposed to do, the whole thing just made no sense at all
Well, did you do the tutorials or just tried to learn the thing with messing around in it? I suggest that you download the tuts from the official Game Maker website, they are all great and so simple... Though again they don't show the full capabilities of the program. And best to do them all first as only one (for example the first) barely shows anything at all... I'd say you can start well if you do the "first game tutorial" and then do the shoot em up tutorial.
I'm talking about the program that is found here btw (just to make sure we are talking about the same Game Maker).
I don't think many people will convert to a another game making program after using TGF/MMF for a bunch of years. If I do convert to anything else, it'll be C++.
I wanted to edit my previous post but it said I cannot edit it so, I'll rewrite it here (feel free to delete the previous one mods).
Well, how long ago did you try it out, there usually are significant improvements in later versions from reading its history.
And, did you do the tutorials or just tried to learn the thing with messing around in it?
I suggest that you download the tuts from the official Game Maker website, they are all great and so simple to get you started with... Though, again, they don't show the full capabilities of the program at all. And it's best to do them all first as only one (for example the first) barely shows anything at all...
If you are bored of that, I'd say you can start well if you do the "first game tutorial" and then do the shoot em up tutorial and finally the platform tutorial.
Learning of each of the above should enable you to mess around in making a game you want...
I'm talking about the program that is found here btw (just to make sure we are talking about the same Game Maker).
I don't see how it can even be compared to the likes of RPGmaker when it's so flexible and not just for a certain type of games...
There's also a now out of print book available for download in PDF format which teaches you how to do "Arcade game graphics" so you guys can visit that site atleast for that reason. Though I think it's quite an old book it should still be useful for people starting out in the 2D deal.
Well I'm not saying it's better, but it's certainly different, it's all about finding a program you are comfortable with, no? Some people may find this comfortable that's all...
Either way, communities could expand even if the old members don't move on to the new things covered in it, I wasn't trying to convert anyone...
I just think the mentality is so similar, both cheap programs, both used by people to mostly make freeware little games... I think both would benefit from the expansion...
I'll be sticking around if just to play the games others make even if I don't end up using TGF or MMF (maybe in the future, when I'm more experienced I'll find GM limiting or whatever and end up trying other stuff, who knows).
It was just a friendly suggestion really, nothing more...
...right... I'll mention it whenever I see fit :> maybe if I make games with it I'll post about them in off topic section that will be a while though, I don't have too much time to devote to learning per day :>
To each their own. Your own ability is what will make your game maker games great.
Depending who is working on either, one or the other could make a better game depending on their skill.
Although, you shouldn't come into a community revolved around MMF/TGF and in some cases KNP and start preaching of the greatness of a program that most of us hate. Instead make a game that is great with it and prove a point instead of blabbing on.
thinking is like pong, it's easy, but you miss sometimes.
I wasn't preaching, was just saying what I thought... As I said I'm a beginner...
And there's no reason to "hate" a program either... Noone's going to force you to use it or something and if someone does you should hate that person, not the program lol... Kind of a waste of emotion if you channel it to something which is not, well, alive...
Anyway I haven't been into development in the past but I have been around various places to play games others make and I thought it's all a similar concept... Didn't know there's such hatred between people of one or the other side or whatever...
Anyway, kind of silly to ask a beginner to prove with his games that a program is good, after all if I just picked the game of a random newbie here to see if MMF is good, I'd end up thinking it's total shit... But I didn't do that because it would be, well, very stupid of me...
Feel free to promote such emotions to people that are into the whole hatred-between-whatever thing but I didn't do anything of the sort, so, yeah... It was just a friendly suggestion.
Well, a short reply now cos after re-reading some posts I'd like to say - in case it wasn't noticed by the guy who tried the program - that all the icons GM uses have very descriptive tooltips that explain what they do...
PS: Maybe you should stop reading this thread if it offends you so much - God knows why - rather than advice me to go away... Another friendly suggestion
Your so calm, I would be bleeping and boobopin around if I got that crap from them.
Never tried gamemaker. Never heard of gamemaker untill now. You should just look into the free copy of mmf. Or the trial whatever. It is really good. You can start with gamemaker and then move up to tgf if you like. But try the trial version.
Yeah as I said MMF sounds great but it's kinda expensive for me atm so I don't wanna try it out cos if I like it too much I'll be sad I can't have it yet
I'll just see how far I can go with GM for now, maybe in the future I'll find it too limiting or stupid or whatever and look for alternatives once again, if that happens I'll check out clickteam stuff again.
I'm only just starting so yeah, anything can happen.
All I can say, once you get used to a program you will never turn back. Al3xand3r, you've got good intentions but people on this site use mmf or tgf...not gamemaker. By posting this your just going to start a flame war. Maybe you should start up the Daily Game Maker...you could become famous
Again, I wasn't trying to convert anybody, I don't think that's the intention that came off from what I suggested... I just suggested the website could cover GM games as well... I just introduced the program first so that people would know wtf I'm talking about...
You admit that you're a beginner. As a beginner you haven't earned the right to an opinion. Unless you're a fucking guru in both klik and GM nobody's interested in what you have to say. Pity you didn't take the hint on that.
I don't understand why kids feel the need to come in here and advocate GM. You think we don't know how to use google? Everybody here has heard of game maker, and nobody here is interested. Seriously. It isn't news.
How many of these damn threads have we had already?
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A bunch but give him some slack once he gets the money he will by MMf then kick your ass at making games.
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2nd August, 2005 at 00:34:14 -
"How many of these damn threads have we had already?"
Everyone knows that, we can just google it!
"Isn't it always amazing how we characterize a person's intelligence by how closely their thinking matches ours?"
~Belgarath
Radix, nuklear said he hadn't heard of it a few posts before yours so I don't know how you can say that everybody knows of it
Also, are you telling me that you are a guru in both MMF and Game Maker and that this gives you the right to flame me for saying something nice about Game Maker?
And since when are they to be compared as being of the same range when their price is so different?
Anyway, I never said about one program being better than the other, that's what some you guys have been doing instead (without actually explaining to me why)...
Anyway, to me, it's all about the games really. Why all the hostility? I'm sure that people using MMF and GM share the same mentality. Surely they all just wanted a program that would allow them to create games they want without having to pay a fortune or spend years upon years learning programming just to be able to make something half-half-decent.
I'm sure that if clickteam had created GM nobody would "hate it" even if they didn't like using it... I don't see why there has to be such hatred and prejudice simply because it's different/made by someone else/whatever... It's all about the games...
The creators of each program just happen to have different approaches for the same goal, to offer a program that will allow people to do all of the above.
I'm certain that serious developers like Natomic and Faind would have no hatred against a program or its users simply because they are users of it, whatever that program may be...
I guess I shouldn't expect everyone to be reasonable/calm about some things. After all, the majority of the population fight over sports, politics, religion and so on, perhaps I should have expected this would be the case here as well.
With a community representation like the one you guys have been doing to someone new (me) I can see why the forums don't seem to have been too active (apart from the Circy bashing?) lately. I got more negative comments than that guy that posted several threads about his teletubbies game and how to post it on this site lol...
Don't attempt to take this as some kind of prejudice against MMF users, it's simply talking of what I experienced from certain daily click residents, which of course doesn't mean the majority of the community is like that (hopefully it's not) and has nothing to do with the quality of the clickteam products which I never put down in any way.
People should just put prejudice and ego aside and work together for something better...
If communities merged there would be more resources available to both and also both programs could improve by getting feedback from a larger ammount of people with different way of thinking. This is all Ihad to suggest, I now see that it will never happen so yeah, don't respond about it, I was just attempting to explain once again...
Finally, Radix, as you don't understand why "kids feel the need to...", I don't understand why people feel the need to call someone a kid just to raise their own self esteem and attempt to make their comments appear more valid than others'. I've certainly acted much more mature than most people that responded here.
If you simply call me a kid because of what program I chose to start working with then, whatever, you don't have to interact with 'kids' like me if you don't want to you know... I didn't force you to read or reply to this thread, you could have just ignored it when you saw it was about Game Maker and not spoil your day like that. You know, that would actually be the most mature thing I could see you doing, to ignore something that you know would make you all hostile... Not that it's mature to be hostile about such matters on first place, but, yeah...
Funny for all the hostility I received nobody actually tried to calmly tell me why I should use TGF (as I said, MMF is not really an option at the moment because of its price - not wanting to spend that much into something I'm not sure I will stick with doing is not a sign of me being a kid) instead or to tell me what to do to ease myself into making games with it and what to look at to realise that it's better than GM for me. Talk about a newbie friendly community eh?
I guess I don't have anything more to say, thanks for your time everyone, I'll know better and not attempt to get into forum discussions again but rather just check the sites to see if there are any interesting games to try out like I was doing so far... See ya... or not...
[quote="Al3xand3r"]I'm sure that if clickteam had created GM nobody would "hate it" even if they didn't like using it... I don't see why there has to be such hatred and prejudice simply because it's different/made by someone else/whatever... It's all about the games...[/quote]
oh on the contrary, there are people, even in the click community who hate mmf because it is less user friendly compared to tgf, and game maker is even worse in that area compared to both
and to answer your other question, yes, i have tried the tutorials, and i do know that there we're tool tips and the such, but that just didn't cut it for me, sorry, i find it to be of no use at all
That kind of replies only reinforce my points about people's hostility here... What's it to you if GM goes bankrupt or not? If you don't like it, don't use it, don't worry about it and don't bother entering discussions about it since all you do is pick out a tiny sentence of a huge post and start flaming away... Take your own advice and "go away" from this thread because your head might explode if you keep getting so worked up I'm not trying to be mean, just considerate, feel free to "stay" as well, makes no difference to me as all the years I've been browsing the web I've developed an immunity to flaming without substance
Well I have to admire your persistance at least. Even after I told you in the Klik-Me forums that mixing the Game Maker and Klik communities together simply won't happen. I understand that you do appear to be loyal to GameMaker, but you're trying to enforce your opinions on us and the simple fact of the matter is that nobody here likes GameMaker. If they did, then they'd join a GameMaker community rather than hang out here, and I've already suggested you do this.
You're setting yourself up for a big argument here and in this type of environment, you simply won't convince anyone that GameMaker is good. I too have tried the product, but didn't like it as I prefer the flexibility of MMF 1.5. In the end, no matter how hard you try, you're just one person in a huge Klik community and one persons persistance will simply be ignored or ridiculed. No matter how hard you preach, you cannot convert the community into doing something that only you want.
I told you on klik-me that I had already posted about this here as well so don't try to make it sound like... well, like you just did.
Also, I don't think you've been reading the same thread as me because I don't see anything but casual sensible and reasonable talking on my part, mixed with some replies to the flamers.
I don't see any attempt to enforce an opinion and I don't see me loyal to GM since I kept saying "who knows, when I'm more experienced maybe I'll find it very limiting or whatever" and things...
I also never said it's better than any clickteam product in any way and I never tried to convert anyone to use it instead of clickteam things. I never even really compared the products in anything more except for saying that their communities share the same mentality, they all want to make games, and so I don't understand all this hostility.
And I'm not trying to do anything anymore, as I said in my previous post I realise that with such hostility around then my initial suggestion is never going to happen. And it's probably for the better seeing how many people here are like though maybe I'll find worse in the GM communities, who knows, I haven't looked into them much yet.
Still, having given up on my initial suggestion doesn't mean that I won't reply when I feel I have something to add or when someone is asking for it.
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that will be a while though, I don't have too much time to devote to learning per day :>
