I choose not to vote, even though I follow electoral politics perhaps better than the average US citizen.
I don't like the idea of 'majority rule' being what runs this country. I'm terrified and rather resentful that it means my neighbours tell me how I am to live my life. Furthermore, I have no right whatsoever to tell anyone else how to live theirs, so I consciously avoid voting, and support consensus agreements instead.
I could go on a long diatribe on how I dislike the democratic system, corrupt elections, and interventionist politics, but I'll spare you. But please understand that there are many people in the USA who do not like the political system here, or in pretty much any other government. To us, it's all oppression, liberal, conservative, or otherwise.
Oh, and I'm vegetarian. The last thing I ate at McDonald's was an apple pie.
Originally Posted by \/\/olf That argument is two directional btw. Criminals can get guns easily as well if you can get them easily. And guns never protect, rarely ever. All they do is cause accidents.
If nowone is allowed to have guns, then only criminals will have guns. If we can't get guns easily, criminals still can. Guns really do STOP crime, there is a country in europe where everyone is required to have a gun. That country has one of the lowest crime rates in all of europe.
@ wiiman
id like to know what country this is. 2ndly, i doubt guns have anything to do with low crime rate over there. crime has more to do with poverty and lack of education.
guns kill people. If guns were banned, criminals would still have guns. Deaths might be halved; after all, you're much much much more likely to die to a gun in your household than to stop a criminal with it. But the criminals would still have guns, and you wouldn't. Of course, after a few years, nobody would have guns. Kind of how like the USA has 1000x or so times the gun deaths per capita that Japan does, where they are banned. But those criminals would still have their guns. A lot less of them. And your toddler wouldn't accidently blast his face off with a shotgun. But the criminals would still have their guns, and you wouldn't. Two boys who get into an argument might settle it with their fists instead of their pieces, and live to tell the story, but the criminals would still have their guns.
@Wolf; Guns don't have anything to do with crime rate. Crimes are done by people. They have something to do with mortality rate, violent crime rate. Its a lot easier to kill someone with a gun than a knife. And thats why Detroit has the same homicide rate as Sierra Leone.
I think the world would be a much safer place if everyone had a firearm. You could avoid home accidents by educating children in primer school on gun safety or something like that. Maybe you could let children have some very low calibre gun for protection when they're away from home? I don't know what you think about it, but that would really make the way home from school a lot safer for kids.
And there probably wouldn't be as many muggings and robberies since it would be a lot riskier for the crook.
So if I was an american I'd vote McCain, cause then there's atleast a chance that something like that could be seen through by the government.
my favorite thing about the gun vs gun argument is that owning a gun doesn't stop people from shooting you any more than owning a toothbrush. If everyone had a gun at all times, then the one of the first two person to get in an argument would be blown away. Maybe we should legalize class IV dragon skin body armor & flashbangs
well, see thats what ive been trying to say pixeltheif. guns do affect crime. violent crime as you said. which is why im against them. i do believe if the majority of people were quite above the poverty line, and they were sufficiently educated, there would be less crime. very little, i would say.
Originally Posted by Pixelthief guns kill people. If guns were banned, criminals would still have guns. Deaths might be halved; after all, you're much much much more likely to die to a gun in your household than to stop a criminal with it. But the criminals would still have guns, and you wouldn't. Of course, after a few years, nobody would have guns. Kind of how like the USA has 1000x or so times the gun deaths per capita that Japan does, where they are banned. But those criminals would still have their guns. A lot less of them. And your toddler wouldn't accidently blast his face off with a shotgun. But the criminals would still have their guns, and you wouldn't. Two boys who get into an argument might settle it with their fists instead of their pieces, and live to tell the story, but the criminals would still have their guns.
@Wolf; Guns don't have anything to do with crime rate. Crimes are done by people. They have something to do with mortality rate, violent crime rate. Its a lot easier to kill someone with a gun than a knife. And thats why Detroit has the same homicide rate as Sierra Leone.
Gun crime per capita is much higher in the US than the UK, where possession of any firearm without a license gets you royally buggered with an automatic 5-7 years in prison.
So yes unless you have a license (I only know 1 person that has one) you can't have a gun and if any miscreants are caught with them they will be sent down. In the US (state and weapon depending) they'd be let go to commit their planned crime.
Some people do slip through the net here but gun crimes are so very few and far between that by allowing more people with guns we'd be increasing that number.
Personally I think the law needs to be tougher. 10-15 years for possession of a firearm would be such a powerful, and fitting deterrent. Miscreants will always go around the law. It's what they do. It's just having the proper laws in place to put them in gaol for a very long time that reassures me.*
*And it does. There was an idiot around here who tried attacking me and a friend when we were back in secondary school, but he was a drunk buffoon and didn't do very well. He evaded the law for years but recently took a picture of himself with a sawn off shotgun, then was found acting suspicious outside a big posh house so the police did a quick search of the area and found his gun. Thankfully he got sent down.
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