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CHAPTER 5
As per standard, you can enter late, but you'll be thrust into tourey limbo where you'll never win and never lose or even compete. Sounds like hell to me! Speaking of which...

SUDDEN DEATH
Bibin and Codemonkey have to face off to see who will participate in this round. It'll be handled in this manner.
-One tourey participant will be vs. either Bibin or Codemonkey.
-Both sudden death participants will make a game as per the round 5 guidelines and scoring categories.
-BOth sudden death participants will submit the game on the deadline along with the rest of the tourey participants.
-The two games will be judged right before the other games get judged. The game with the higher score will stay in the tourey and the game with the lower score will take a loss and will not be judged in the tourey.

So, Bibin and Codemonkey, make a game just like normal, and submit it by the deadline just like normal. You will just have to win against two games to continue on to round 6. Questions? DC mail me.

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chrilley vs. Borgi
MitchHM vs. Brinic
Don Luciano vs. Hempuli
Eternal Entertainment vs. Sudden Death Victor

Sudden Death:
-Codemonkey- VS. Bibin

There can only be one... and one way to prove you're the best, is to take your opponents game, and make it better!

Scoring:
Theme: Anything you can do, I can do better!

Graphics: x/150
Technical: x/150
Sound: x/50
Appeal: x/50
Gameplay: x/150
Originality: x/300
*Fan Game: x/150

Total: x/1000
*Entry uses the same characters and storyline or other things as the game being mimicked. The more obvious it is that your game is based off the last one, the more points you receive.

(notice the extreme scoring!) This round, you must pick a game previously entered into the Tourey, and remake the game. It cannot be one of your own games. You can change the game however you want, but be aware of how the points are divided up. Notice the points in the originality category, You won't be getting those points if you don't make the game better and/or different.

These rules are also added:

-You can not continue a game this round. You'll lose a lot of points if you do.
-A splash screen of some sort must be added to the game which states which tourey game you are remaking. If I can't find this screen you'll lose a lot of points.
-File size limit is 25mb.
-You can't work on a team with your partner. Teams are eliminated in the Tourey now.

You can dig through the previous tourey topics for the games, or find the individual games uploaded to TDC's download section by searching for my name or tourey. DC mail me if you can't find a game, or if you have some problem with a tourey game.

Deadline
November 2nd, 00:00 GMT

Annnnnnnnnnd... good luck!

 
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15th October, 2008 at 01:12:24 -

w00t! This is getting interesting...

*OldManClayton disguises himself as chrilley and continues on in the Tourey.*

 

  		
  		

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15th October, 2008 at 01:23:31 -

Ha! Interesting theme! This will be fun!
To bad I have MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH less time to do games now, found out I have a month less to finish school this semester due to the fact that I have to submit this semesters grades before I get accepted to the next one.

But I'll think of something.

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15th October, 2008 at 02:17:26 -

How do you score for origionality when you're remaking someone elses game? It's the biggest category!

 
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15th October, 2008 at 02:19:35 -

I believe he means originality in how you remake it, like the creative liberties you take, how you remix music or new sounds you use, any new features you add, etc.

 
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Yeah that.

 
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Interesting. I'm guessing you boosted it to 1000 points to make sure no one ties?

 
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Yep, no more ties.

 
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15th October, 2008 at 04:17:54 -

im gonna wet myself if someone does tie.

 
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If you take pictures, I'll make it happen.

 
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15th October, 2008 at 08:02:56 -

Wow i did not see that Sudden Death coming! Bit harsh, if you ask me, but who cares - it's genius!

Good luck -Codemonkey- and Bibin!

 
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Can we only remake their LAST game?

 
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15th October, 2008 at 15:01:22 -

haha. nice ide. i hope i can make something, but ill ahve to make something for gamebuilders compo.

i don't know is that possible, but worth asking: may we get a week more time? ;>
not nessesary, but that'd be cool for ME. i dont know anything about the other ppl ;>

 
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15th October, 2008 at 16:30:29 -


Originally Posted by -Codemonkey-
Can we only remake their LAST game?



As far as I can tell- you can remake any single game made by another person in the comp so far (does not have to be your opponent, does not have to be most recent entry). Correct me if I'm wrong though.

 
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15th October, 2008 at 16:57:56 -

Oh, how I regret all the crap I sent in now. *goes to study Borgi's games*

 
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Originally Posted by chrilley
Oh, how I regret all the crap I sent in now. *goes to study Borgi's games*



that won't be a problem for you, to make my games better ;>

 
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You can pick ANYONE'S games, any round submitted.

 
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Curses, well too late now.

 
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15th October, 2008 at 21:49:51 -

Hee hee hee, I can already say that this remake is going to be FLAWLESS!

 
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15th October, 2008 at 22:05:16 -


Originally Posted by -Codemonkey-
Curses, well too late now.



Did you seriously just start remaking hatman?

 
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Shouldnt the game be different than the original.

 
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no remaking Micro mouse?

 
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How bout Bumble's Beginning

 
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16th October, 2008 at 01:51:09 -

I don't presume that my entries were better than utter crap enough to warrant a remake, but let it be said that I don't want anyone to.

 

  		
  		

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Originally Posted by Don Luciano
Shouldnt the game be different than the original.



Yes, kinda. Depends on what you mean.

 
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it is a bit confusing. I want to pick a game that I can expand greatly on, but really expanding it IS gonna make it different from the origional. But if I keep the actual gamestyle and storyline, expanding is gonna award me originality, rather than hurt me in the 'Fan Game' department?

 
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A hard part about being a game developer is finding balance. The originality category isn't a very lax scoring category, the fangame category is. It's up to you to decide how original you want to make it, but I would err on the side of originality since it's worth more points.

 
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16th October, 2008 at 04:14:29 -


Originally Posted by Peblo
You can pick ANYONE'S games, any round submitted.



....other than your own. Right?

 
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16th October, 2008 at 04:31:08 -

Oh anyone's games? I thought we had to do one of our opponent's games. This will make it easier for me.

 
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Originally Posted by Borgi
haha. nice ide. i hope i can make something, but ill ahve to make something for gamebuilders compo.

i don't know is that possible, but worth asking: may we get a week more time? ;>
not nessesary, but that'd be cool for ME. i dont know anything about the other ppl ;>



I'm going to have to second that.

 
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16th October, 2008 at 22:06:01 -

I'll consider it.

Maybe I'll offer it as a prize.

Anyways, you'll know by this sunday if you do or not.

 
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New Deadline
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18th October, 2008 at 23:44:49 -

Hi! Thanks Peblo! Im not athome atm, but i reakly apprecite yourr deadline upgrade

 
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I'm going to remake Shooting Gallery by Fish20. But you're gonna shoot at cowboys instead of fake targets. You do have to challange 'MitchHM, the Best Gunman in the West' though!

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21st October, 2008 at 21:19:38 -

I'm remaking Jeff Pwns from Round 2. It's going pretty well!

 
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lol! Best game in the compo so far I'm sure.

 
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yeh, Im curious about that one

 
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Does making your own music get you extra points?

 
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Depends on if it's a remix of the last music.

 
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Originally Posted by Peblo
Depends on if it's a remix of the last music.



OOOOHHH darn.

 
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23rd October, 2008 at 03:16:29 -

It's a teaser!




 
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23rd October, 2008 at 03:27:50 -

wait, peblo, your description of round 5 says we can remake anyone's game, but then it also says that I have to remake Codemonkey's game... I think it should just be anyone's game, as I've already started remaking a fun round 2 game and I think it's too late to turn around.

 
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AH! THERE'S TOO MANY OF THEM!!!!!!

 
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The compo's still on?

 
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23rd October, 2008 at 03:45:18 -

Yeah, this round ends november 8th.

 
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Originally Posted by Bibin
wait, peblo, your description of round 5 says we can remake anyone's game, but then it also says that I have to remake Codemonkey's game... I think it should just be anyone's game, as I've already started remaking a fun round 2 game and I think it's too late to turn around.



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23rd October, 2008 at 04:43:33 -

Changed my mind, teaser for tasting...

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23rd October, 2008 at 05:00:13 -

IT'S NOT HATMAN

I'M OFFENDED

 
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Yay, 2 of my games are chosen! Very nice graphics btw!

 
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@ Eternal Man [EE]: Never Touch A Transporter!

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No...
It is HATEMAN...

Nah. It's never touch a transporter! I really liked that game, even though it was quite unforgiving...

 
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I want to play these games!

 
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Codemonkey how is your HatMan clone going?

 
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Dis ees geetting wery wery eenteresting...

 

  		
  		

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Originally Posted by Bibin
Codemonkey how is your HatMan clone going?

It's not.

 
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Hi guys!
I'm sad to say that I have to leave the Tourey. I have to focus on school so I just don't have the time to continue, these last weeks I've only been able to work on a game for like ~2 hours. So whoever wins the sudden death wins the round!

It's up to you now Borgi, YOU BORGI!

AVENGE ME!!!

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you do know the deadline was extended to next week right?

 
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o_o what a turn of events...

 
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I am out also.

 
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I think I might have to join the emo train and drop out too. I haven't started, and my uni exams start tomorrow. There's still the off chance I'll throw something together I suppose, but it's not looking likely. Cursed life getting in the way of fun things like this!
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Aha. Extended. Yes.



Well then. If I get lucky, and work about 28~29 hours a day I might be able to put something together then. So you can hold off that revenge a few days more Borgi.

 
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I'm almost done.

Posting another teaser soon.

 
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Just FYI, the next two rounds aren't going to be that long, so if you want to add a lot to your game, this is the round to do it in.

 
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So how is everyone's game going?

 
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I guess I'm dropping too. I have currently other projcts so I don't really have the interest on continuing this HatMan copy

 
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Seriously, i would love to still be in right now - people dropping out is making this tourey easier! Does no-one remember the prizes?!?

Don't shout at me though, coz i quite the second round and was then out

 
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Dagnabbit, if only I had lasted one more round. >_O I should've spent more time on my entries.

 

  		
  		

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Dang; who else is actually here? It'd be pretty crazy if I won by default?

 
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Next time, let's please have shorter rounds. Say like a week each?

 
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The question. Answer it.

 
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I'll have a little game ready by saturday, but I'm not up against you Bibin

 
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I think Codemonkey dropped out back there, so currently you're against me Bib. But I'm having quite a hard time getting free time to work on the game. But I intend on submitting something. Show us the teaser you talked about, so I know what I'm up against.

 
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Yes I dropped out.

 
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I dropped out first, but then I dropped right back in again!

 
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Building & uploading... should be up soon.

 
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http://create-games.com/download.asp?id=7439 here it is!

 
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The deadline is today?


 
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I always post early. Always have.

 
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www.hempuli.com/ukko3.exe

Decided to post this piece of garbage.

 
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Hempuli, how to jump over the first rocks, with those two chests. or go up. I m stuck at begininng.

 
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http://www.mediafire.com/?zyk2wmge5zm

This is remake of Base defender by Eternal.
It is much more harder. There is some new stuff like mines, i also had in mind some other things, but really didn't have time.
There is no defender, i didn't draw it, so i just removed it for the time being, but you can still shoot and deploy nukes.
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Be carefull with power, if you start without it, you will probably loose half of your cannons. Your mines will still work thought.


 
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Remake of Shooting Gallery, by Fish20:

http://www.filefactory.com/dlf/f/0b18ae/b/8/h/fab7c8806da67c6cf9421fb88bb4a7ff98aecf25/e/fab7c8806da67c6cf9421fb88bb4a7ff98aecf25/j/0/n/CnD_rar

 
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I was just about to start a remake of Superfly made in 32 minutes, but when I checked the clock I remembered daylightsavings! So no game from me. Even though it would've been awesome...

 
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http://www.mediafire.com/?xndnw0 1d2

this is updated version, with one more type of enemy.

the smiley is x then d

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Ah dang! I just got the best idea for a remake!

HATEMAN

And instead of using your hat to destroy enemies you use your HATE to destroy the entire level!

 
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And your hate always comes back to you...

 
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Exactly! And sevenfold too! The aim of the game is to destroy the level before the hate destroys you... It would be edutainment about cosmic laws!

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So did I win this round by default?

 
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Wow 4 entries. Bibin won the sudden death.

 
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sorry, im low on ambitions atm :C

 
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And I have too much to do. I can only hope I get more free time for next round.

 
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Bleh, why did I have to get the opponent that actually made a game?

 
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Tell me about it.

 
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So uh, who'll I face next round?

 
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The tourey kind of... died. >_>

Not so much enthusiasm left...

*OldManClayton attempts to fudge the records and re-enters.*

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It died like a neglected house plant RIP cheese plant in the hallway.

 
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Originally Posted by Peblo
Wow 4 entries. Bibin won the sudden death.



so tehre will be multiple sudden deaths next round?

 
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9th November, 2008 at 19:47:06 -

NO, THIS IS NOT DYING. I need the prize money. Badly.

 
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I totally saw it dying down near the middle, bit I'm thinking that when it's down to the top 4 or so people will start to change their minds when the prize money is 1 game away.

 
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10th November, 2008 at 00:39:26 -

Well, from my perspective the Tourey never "died", the pressure on the participants grew exponentionally with uni and the likes. My motivation was top, but school needs to come first, or else I'd be screwed for life in my current situation.

But yes, motivation will probably jump through the roof now when the finish line is in sight!

ps. if you're still in, Borgi, see my "avenge me" post a few pages back. kthnxbai

 
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Dear god, what is going on in the JP2 downloads comment section?

 
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Haha, you started a war!

 
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This theme wasn't really for me.
Also there were lotsa tests.

 
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10th November, 2008 at 10:38:11 -

The pressure is definitevly building up.
I thought remaking a game will not be an easy theme, but it was quite some fun.

 
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10th November, 2008 at 16:23:50 -


Originally Posted by Eternal Man [EE]
Well, from my perspective the Tourey never "died", the pressure on the participants grew exponentionally with uni and the likes. My motivation was top, but school needs to come first, or else I'd be screwed for life in my current situation.

But yes, motivation will probably jump through the roof now when the finish line is in sight!

ps. if you're still in, Borgi, see my "avenge me" post a few pages back. kthnxbai



U KEN NAT BEET MEE! UNDERSTANDING?

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i feel like, yop, this compo a bit slowed dowm, but i'd made a game, but was in a terrible mood in the past week or so. and i just in half way out of this thingy. i hope you understand me, seeya in the next round, i think, im still in with one loss.

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11th November, 2008 at 08:17:35 -

If you did send in a game Borgi you didn't get a loss. If you didn't... then we both got a loss.

 
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how bout some scores?

 
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14th November, 2008 at 15:12:31 -

Umm, it's been two days from my last post.
I don't know if anybody had noticed it, but, shouldn't the tourey continue..._?

 
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14th November, 2008 at 23:14:44 -

Yesh, midterms were this week and I've been studying like crazy. They're gonna be out soon, now they're over, especially since there's 4 games.

 
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Click em out out Peblo.

 
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http://tourey.neocystem.com/round5scores.zip

Sorry for the delay, was busy celebrating my birthday and such. Cool stuff. Next round up soon... I want this tourey over this year...

 
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17th November, 2008 at 09:15:09 -

Thx, Peblo, i like your comments on the games. Well i hope to see the next round pretty soon.


 
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17th November, 2008 at 20:39:13 -

Am I still in this?

 
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Eternal Man [EE]

Pitied the FOO

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18th November, 2008 at 00:48:18 -

No you got eliminated in round 3.

 
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Don Luciano

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19th November, 2008 at 11:03:03 -

Is it only 3 of us left now?
Bibin , Mitch and me?

 
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MitchHM



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19th November, 2008 at 14:02:37 -

and chrilley and borgi

 
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Don Luciano

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20th November, 2008 at 12:22:37 -

oh, yeah, this is their first losss....
well that makes 5

 
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Bibin

At least 9001

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Silver Cup WinnerGOTW Winner!Has Donated, Thank You!VIP Member
20th November, 2008 at 12:30:57 -

When does round 6 begin?

 
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Don Luciano

Heavy combat pancake

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20th November, 2008 at 19:10:10 -

I hope soonishly

 
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chrilley

Insane Beaver

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21st November, 2008 at 17:21:27 -

I'm guessing either tonight or this weekend

 
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chrilley

Insane Beaver

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24th November, 2008 at 12:36:03 -

Or not.

 
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MitchHM



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  23/03/2007
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Game of the Week Winner
24th November, 2008 at 13:00:46 -

if the tourey stops now there will be no top 3, and Peblo doesn't have to pay $300

 
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Bricnic



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VIP MemberWii OwnerHas Donated, Thank You!
25th November, 2008 at 09:11:34 -

Well then you can always just be refunded your entry fee.

 
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