well, ive been watching a few videos on youtube, mainly alot of polical stuff supporting obama, and anti-gay marrage and all kinds of things. ive come across people like micheal savage and fred phelps, and george carlin and a whole bunch of random people with random opinions and things.
i literally started crying on this one savage show where he bashed this gay lady for asking him why he was so hateful to gays. savage kept cutting off her mic, and screaming at her calling her an unintellegent moron and things like that. why? why do people actually listen to this garbage and not notice that they purposefully pick opposing callers taht arent quick speakers and keep cutting them off?
i dont get this world anymore. everyone is so hellbent on controling one another, and no one can just let everyone be. its funny becase our governemtns protect the things that cause most crimes, murders, thefts. things like money, religeon, racism, control... and the fact that people know this, but allow it anyway.
for whatever reason everyone thinks that we need a government or a religeon or money in order to live. if we just had a few states producing food, we could indefinatly produce food for the whole world. its a real shame to see empty houses or aparments when there is a homless family sitting by hungry and cold on the street.
i dont know it just really makes me sad that these things happen and we all continue to let it happen. i hav such bad anxiety because of things like this. it would be so great to just be left alone, but instead i have these asshole ramming thier propaganda down my throat. everyone wants to tell me what to think and believe and its like i really cant take it anymore.
it boggles my mind to see the most horrible crimes happening in the name of a god, or a government or for money or power.
i was brought up in this country to believe that i had a voice and a choice and my vote counts, but it is a real shame the day you figure out that none of that is true. its a shame when you wake up and realize that you have to spend your life working at a bullshit job for minimum wage or you die. or that you cant go to school because the loan companies refuse to wish you up a loan because you dont have enough invible numbers in your bank account or an imaginary credit score or a cosigner.
its a shame to hear the same crap on the radio, or play the same video games or watch the same tv show because its trendy or its been statistically proven to get good ratings. its a damn shame when you cant get a job because some idiot on the radio told everyone that there arent enough imaginary numbers to regulate how much stuff you can buy.
a wise man once told me that the only thing that gives money its power or value is faith. if we lose faith in money it loses its power. i dont know what to do about it.
if any of you have any free time, i recommend watching the zietgiest movies. i watched them a couple months ago and they are very good movies. there are alot of flaws in them though (especially the religous section) but there are still some very valuable grains of knowledge in them.
but yeah, those are just some thoughts ive been having, anyone else have any thoughts on the subjects?
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4th March, 2009 at 05:20:46 -
You know, for thousands of years, a huge goal in people's lives was to be right. Yay crusades, we are right, God said so. Think we're wrong? Have a war. Starting to prove me wrong? I'll cut you off the mic.
Though, you know, this is a ego-istic world. The ego is the way of survival. You can't POSSIBLY survive and be wrong... what will people think of you? What will you think of YOURSELF? Or you know, even worse, what will God or such think of you? If I'm wrong enough, I will die alone, not even a friend to myself. The world's subconscious reality can be depressing, and people are starting to become even more aware of it.
Eh, religion often has a good point though, even though it's a key player in slowly destroying the world. If you don't live in the world, the ego, then all of a sudden nothing can hurt you.
That's all wrong.
"Isn't it always amazing how we characterize a person's intelligence by how closely their thinking matches ours?"
~Belgarath
Originally Posted by Peblo You know, for thousands of years, a huge goal in people's lives was to be right. Yay crusades, we are right, God said so. Think we're wrong? Have a war. Starting to prove me wrong? I'll cut you off the mic.
Though, you know, this is a ego-istic world. The ego is the way of survival. You can't POSSIBLY survive and be wrong... what will people think of you? What will you think of YOURSELF? Or you know, even worse, what will God or such think of you? If I'm wrong enough, I will die alone, not even a friend to myself. The world's subconscious reality can be depressing, and people are starting to become even more aware of it.
Eh, religion often has a good point though, even though it's a key player in slowly destroying the world. If you don't live in the world, the ego, then all of a sudden nothing can hurt you.
That's all wrong.
lol, i dont know if your intention was to have a comedic spin on it, but it did. thanks for cheering me up.
religeon has always been a double edged sword. ive tried very hard to fit in with the christian crowd, but the only thing that deterred me were other christians. i remember gowing to youth group and taking a look at all the preachy kids that were all about god when they were there but back at school were some of the snottiest, unethical unchritian trash that ive ever seen.
as far as religeon is concerned, a few major ones are supposed to prech peace and all that junk, but they are the first to pull the trigger. i like how people like the fred phelps baptists preach hate messages to gays and "perverts", but doesnt the bible say things like "judge not lest yet ye be judged" or soemthing or even jesus chillin with the tax men and beggers and stuff. Christians dont care about that crap, its like you said "im right and your wrong, god is on my side because i go to church and can remember like 10 universal bible quotes".
The world and people in it are nutters. Nothing more than that!
On a side note I hate how selective our country is with discrimination. It's a pick and mix of protecting minorities but only those that are vocal in retaliation. It's okay to joke about Polish and eastern Europeans but my god make a joke about anyone from the middle east and BAM. It's the PC police for you. Bernard Manning (that fat twunt) oddly had it right - everyone is fair game or nobody is.
Interesting topic. If you are a sensitive person (as I am) it's best to avoid getting too far deep into "worldly" things such as politics and the daily news or you can find yourself in depression or anxiety/rage.. As peblo said ^^ this is still an egoistic world (but I live in hope that will change one day when people wake up - or we will become extinct like the dinosaur, through wars or such)
I too watched the zeitgeist movie, along with david icke's conspiracy rantings and also have an interest in esoteric subjects lately. It's good to be aware of all these things but you must remember that giving emotion or energy to evil or injustice only makes those things stronger. Whatever you resist persists this is why "wars" against things do NOT work - the "war against terrorism" the "war against drugs" etc. They always fail.
Accept things are still a certain way in this world for now - and focus more on the good.
I go through phases where I cannot watch the news or read a newspaper because the information falls into one of two category's
a) celebrities pumping up their egos/showing off
b) negativity in some form - be it wars/famous people with cancer/people being tortured etc.
I feel that alot of the stress-related problems people face these days are down to the globalisation of "news" (the news THEY want you to know about) the anxiety and guilt etc we are made to feel for bad things going on all over the world - where a normal person cannot really help, I just don't see the point of it.
The world is indeed a depressing place. But try to remember that it's not God's fault that men use religion as an excuse for war. Blame men and their stupidity. Only thing to do is keep your head up and do what you know is right.
The subject of religion is very complicated, as you well know. I, like you, know many "Christians" who are not pure-hearted. They just go to church and don't take what the Bible teaches to heart. There is a difference and it is sad that pretenders and hypocrites exist. But I haven't let other stupid people deter me in my pursuit of Christ. My family was kicked out of our church because of one liar! I know firsthand the effects that a deceitful man who hides under a shroud of being a "Christian" can have, and I still have faith. It is one of my mottos to ignore the stupidity but help the stupid.
Originally Posted by Dr. James The world and people in it are nutters. Nothing more than that!
On a side note I hate how selective our country is with discrimination. It's a pick and mix of protecting minorities but only those that are vocal in retaliation. It's okay to joke about Polish and eastern Europeans but my god make a joke about anyone from the middle east and BAM. It's the PC police for you. Bernard Manning (that fat twunt) oddly had it right - everyone is fair game or nobody is.
yeah i agree, ive had my share of discrimination. it really sucks bad.
Originally Posted by steve Interesting topic. If you are a sensitive person (as I am) it's best to avoid getting too far deep into "worldly" things such as politics and the daily news or you can find yourself in depression or anxiety/rage.. As peblo said ^^ this is still an egoistic world (but I live in hope that will change one day when people wake up - or we will become extinct like the dinosaur, through wars or such)
I too watched the zeitgeist movie, along with david icke's conspiracy rantings and also have an interest in esoteric subjects lately. It's good to be aware of all these things but you must remember that giving emotion or energy to evil or injustice only makes those things stronger. Whatever you resist persists this is why "wars" against things do NOT work - the "war against terrorism" the "war against drugs" etc. They always fail.
Accept things are still a certain way in this world for now - and focus more on the good.
I go through phases where I cannot watch the news or read a newspaper because the information falls into one of two category's
a) celebrities pumping up their egos/showing off
b) negativity in some form - be it wars/famous people with cancer/people being tortured etc.
I feel that alot of the stress-related problems people face these days are down to the globalisation of "news" (the news THEY want you to know about) the anxiety and guilt etc we are made to feel for bad things going on all over the world - where a normal person cannot really help, I just don't see the point of it.
itd be way easier to stay out of the way if i didnt keep getting harassed by police, or denied loans or anything. my family are total news hounds too, always watching the news and actually think that their opinion matters. you forgot one, politicians bashing each other, which to me just looks like a "sophisticated" reality show.
Originally Posted by OldManClayton The world is indeed a depressing place. But try to remember that it's not God's fault that men use religion as an excuse for war. Blame men and their stupidity. Only thing to do is keep your head up and do what you know is right.
The subject of religion is very complicated, as you well know. I, like you, know many "Christians" who are not pure-hearted. They just go to church and don't take what the Bible teaches to heart. There is a difference and it is sad that pretenders and hypocrites exist. But I haven't let other stupid people deter me in my pursuit of Christ. My family was kicked out of our church because of one liar! I know firsthand the effects that a deceitful man who hides under a shroud of being a "Christian" can have, and I still have faith. It is one of my mottos to ignore the stupidity but help the stupid.
sheesh, i didnt take you as such a god freak (lol, jk you do what you want). but anyways, you are totally right, i commend you from sticking with it, but i just cant. with all the things that goes on in the world, its hard to believe someone exists. its even harder to believe when the people that back it up can only offer "have faith" or "the proof is in the bible" as their main argument, where as the other end has more convincing facts.
Well, this is a bit hard to say but here goes..
Personally, I think the world corrects itself in a way. Ever played poker? Someone will go on a winning streak, lets their luck go to their heads, get lots of money, and start using it to bully others. Sometimes they win. But eventually, after a few dozen, hundreds, or thousands of games, their luck will run out. And they'll be struck down very quickly, especially when they go all-in. That's statistics for you. Luck just works that way.
So you see all these injustices in the world.. they're on a winning streak. They think that they can get away with doing it. But in the end, it bites them back. It's what's happening to the US of A. After decades of inflating their worth, their economy just collapsed on itself. And everyone who bet on them is giving up.
It's true. Faith gives money its power. Money is a piece of paper. In the medieval days, if you tried to peddle a piece of paper, people would laugh at you. A king can claim that it's valuable, but if anyone overthrows that king, all that money becomes just a piece of paper.
If everyone just had the guts to do the right thing, the world would be fine. Doing good is to benefit everyone in the world around you. Evil is to benefit only yourself, and damaging the world around you. And from this.. pretty obviously, evil people don't live long. Those powerful empires? The big Mongol empire, the Nazis, didn't last long at all. The big Roman empire, the USSR, both collapsed once people forgot the good behind the original concept and twisted it to their own evil purposes. Unfortunately, the USA seems to be following the same pattern.. and you Americans are trapped in the downward spiral resulting from it. Now if people will just slap themselves and work together, like they did during 9/11, things will be fine. But judging by the chaos from that hurricane (Katrina?), I wish I could be more optimistic about it.
But yeah, they'll get what's coming to them. Jerks on the radio? They'll lose ratings once people get bored. Game companies that rip off players? Most of them, now bankrupt (including that infamous Atari from back then). EA Games looks like it's plummeting too. The companies that do live are the ones that plan 40 years ahead, like logging and mining. Companies that underpay workers.. well, they get what they pay for.
What is sad is that America cares too much about money. It's become well.. a religion to some. Education, health care, all needing money, that's just plain ridiculous. How do you expect your nation to thrive when your best and brightest can't even afford to live, much less to realize their potential?
Well, sorry to say, but you're mostly right. Your nation did, after all, start many immoral wars, donated money and weapons to terrorists, killed hundreds of thousands of innocents in the name of freedom and capitalism, vote for a president who did that (for two consecutive elections), created the military industrial complex (forcing it to survive by peddling war), and much more.
It was just waiting to happen. You should be grateful that you're alive and not being nuked. Things will be better, much better, just hide. And make games about shooting corporate zombies to make yourself feel better
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.
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4th March, 2009 at 19:51:24 -
What, who said it had to be depressing? Almost inspiring, the amount of improvement we have to go. It IS going to get better.
"Isn't it always amazing how we characterize a person's intelligence by how closely their thinking matches ours?"
~Belgarath
Originally Posted by Muz Well, this is a bit hard to say but here goes..
Personally, I think the world corrects itself in a way. Ever played poker? Someone will go on a winning streak, lets their luck go to their heads, get lots of money, and start using it to bully others. Sometimes they win. But eventually, after a few dozen, hundreds, or thousands of games, their luck will run out. And they'll be struck down very quickly, especially when they go all-in. That's statistics for you. Luck just works that way.
So you see all these injustices in the world.. they're on a winning streak. They think that they can get away with doing it. But in the end, it bites them back. It's what's happening to the US of A. After decades of inflating their worth, their economy just collapsed on itself. And everyone who bet on them is giving up.
It's true. Faith gives money its power. Money is a piece of paper. In the medieval days, if you tried to peddle a piece of paper, people would laugh at you. A king can claim that it's valuable, but if anyone overthrows that king, all that money becomes just a piece of paper.
If everyone just had the guts to do the right thing, the world would be fine. Doing good is to benefit everyone in the world around you. Evil is to benefit only yourself, and damaging the world around you. And from this.. pretty obviously, evil people don't live long. Those powerful empires? The big Mongol empire, the Nazis, didn't last long at all. The big Roman empire, the USSR, both collapsed once people forgot the good behind the original concept and twisted it to their own evil purposes. Unfortunately, the USA seems to be following the same pattern.. and you Americans are trapped in the downward spiral resulting from it. Now if people will just slap themselves and work together, like they did during 9/11, things will be fine. But judging by the chaos from that hurricane (Katrina?), I wish I could be more optimistic about it.
But yeah, they'll get what's coming to them. Jerks on the radio? They'll lose ratings once people get bored. Game companies that rip off players? Most of them, now bankrupt (including that infamous Atari from back then). EA Games looks like it's plummeting too. The companies that do live are the ones that plan 40 years ahead, like logging and mining. Companies that underpay workers.. well, they get what they pay for.
What is sad is that America cares too much about money. It's become well.. a religion to some. Education, health care, all needing money, that's just plain ridiculous. How do you expect your nation to thrive when your best and brightest can't even afford to live, much less to realize their potential?
Well, sorry to say, but you're mostly right. Your nation did, after all, start many immoral wars, donated money and weapons to terrorists, killed hundreds of thousands of innocents in the name of freedom and capitalism, vote for a president who did that (for two consecutive elections), created the military industrial complex (forcing it to survive by peddling war), and much more.
It was just waiting to happen. You should be grateful that you're alive and not being nuked. Things will be better, much better, just hide. And make games about shooting corporate zombies to make yourself feel better
now see, youre absolulty right, and you are very intellegent. the only thing is, the way america is going about its domination is somewhat new, so its tough to say which way it will go. sure the economy is "failing" but just talking about it with people they still back our governement and way of life 100%.
but it goes back to see that you are still right because in the grand scheme of things, our life span barely touches the span of time we've been on earth, so we will not be able to see the changes that ensue, and we'll be lucky to see the shift in power in our lifetimes.
Originally Posted by Peblo What, who said it had to be depressing? Almost inspiring, the amount of improvement we have to go. It IS going to get better.
and this is the smartest thing ive heard all day. it's not a good idea to get all bent out of shape about it.
thanks alot guys for your responses, i really am starting to feel good about this.
Totally agree with OMC and with Muz. Most religions do teach the message of peace but it doesnt mean everyone follows them. I dont know about the USA thing though. Obama's taken a huge risk in borrowing such a huge amount of money ($800 billion approx, I think). If his stimulus plan doesnt work, then for sure the country's going to crap. I, personally, dont have much faith in his program but I appreciate that he's trying to do soemthing about the situation. I think he might have gone a little too overboard though. Well, I suppose time will tell.
As for the "evil" doers being punished eventually, wellll, I dont know. The world isnt exactly very fair is it? There is no law of the world that says evildoers will be punished. It's just something we tell ourselves to keep ourselves happy or content. Evildoers or dogooders, whatever happens to them is not because of their morality but because of their choices (moral or immoral). It's not a matter of who's good or who's bad but who's smarter.
Personally, I honestly dont think God interferes with the affairs of the world. He's left the fate of the planet in our hands. Whether we save it or destroy it, is entirely up to us. Why? Well, I think God trusts His creation (the human race) to be capable of doing either. Hence, we have free will. So yeah, I dont think that anything happens for a reason or there's a thing called fate. I think we craft everything for ourselves.
Other than that, with all the wars and bloodshed, you have to understand that men are warmongers. Always have been. Since the dawn of time, since Kain and Abel, men have murdered others. That's just the way things were, are and probably will always be. It's important to also understand the significance of evil, though not very important I suppose. Without evil, one cannot truly understand good. None of us, I think, would have been able to appreciate the good things in life had evil not existed. I think they balance each other out. One is needed for the other.
One final thing. The world isnt and will never be a perfect place. If it was, it would be heaven. Since you only get to live once, do the best with what you've got and appreciate the beauty of life, no matter how tragic it might be.
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Only thing to do is keep your head up and do what you know is right.
But I haven't let other stupid people deter me in my pursuit of Christ. My family was kicked out of our church because of one liar! I know firsthand the effects that a deceitful man who hides under a shroud of being a "Christian" can have, and I still have faith. It is one of my mottos to ignore the stupidity but help the stupid. 
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