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Fordom
Nordanrikets konung
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12/02/2009
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13th October, 2011 at 18:24:38 -
What are your opinions in this matter? Are you a communist scum who whish to put all with diffrent opinions in gulag, or are you a person who belive in freedom for all, no matter their opinions?
I belive that all, including communists should get to say whatever they want without beeing pursecuted for it.
Americans always talk about their bill of rights and freedom of speech yet they never seem to acctually support people with realy strange opinions? How is that?
I'm afraid the world is becoming more like england and australia and less like the internet.
And if irl is changed internet will change too.
WHat makes the internet great is that its open to everyone, and everyone has a say.
This forum is full of trolls and disinfo agents.
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Phredreeke
Don't listen to this idiot
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03/08/2002
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13th October, 2011 at 19:50:18 -
Originally Posted by Fordom
or are you a person who belive in freedom for all, no matter their opinions?
Yes. Or rather, freedom as long as it doesn't intrude on someone elses freedom.
- Ok, you must admit that was the most creative cussing this site have ever seen -
Make some more box arts damnit!
http://create-games.com/forum_post.asp?id=285363
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s-m-r
Slow-Motion Riot
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04/06/2006
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1078
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13th October, 2011 at 20:52:29 -
(I think this will be a long response)
I don't support censorship at all, ever. There is never a legitimate reason for institutions to rule over the words that one uses to communicate. I am not convinced that censorship is helpful.
Personally I think it's useless debating the legitimacy of the concept of free speech; that's a no-brainer. Anything from new ideas and enterprises, all the way to exposing corruption and dirty dealings in organized power would be eliminated if there wasn't free speech. Rather, I think it's important to discuss and perhaps debate people behaving like grown-ups, who are supposed to have cultivated a sense of ethics or social cooperation/togetherness. That extends to the words they speak, write, or in some way produce.
I think freedom of speech is often confused with freedom from responsibility or accountability; for example, when some people speak their mind, are criticized, then have a hissy fit when they feel they're being persecuted for their jackassery. This is how a lot of spiteful, ignorant people are let off the hook: they accuse the other party of censorship. Fortunately, they're often exposed in the end through their own words or actions; sometimes it just takes a little longer than the average rational person would hope.
Frank Zappa said, "Words are just words," but it cannot be denied that words do have power. People ought to use that power of words responsibly. It's unfortunate when they don't (because it often makes them look unintelligent or just downright mean, or sometimes both), but that's a far cry from making it legitimate or ethical to censor someone's words.
"I choose who insults me." --Klaus Kinski
To respond to Dogzer: I'm "American," and I don't support people with really strange opinions. As an anarchist, I'm practically surrounded by them.
Does that mean I censor them? Absolutely not. There's a big difference between lack of support and outright censorship.
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Phredreeke
Don't listen to this idiot
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03/08/2002
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4504
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13th October, 2011 at 21:22:42 -
Originally Posted by s-m-r
I think freedom of speech is often confused with freedom from responsibility or accountability; for example, when some people speak their mind, are criticized, then have a hissy fit when they feel they're being persecuted for their jackassery. This is how a lot of spiteful, ignorant people are let off the hook: they accuse the other party of censorship.
- Ok, you must admit that was the most creative cussing this site have ever seen -
Make some more box arts damnit!
http://create-games.com/forum_post.asp?id=285363
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Pixelthief
Dedicated klik scientist
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13th October, 2011 at 23:40:28 -
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Gridquest V2.00 is out!!
http://www.create-games.com/download.asp?id=7456
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Alonso Martin
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29/12/2010
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294
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14th October, 2011 at 04:41:03 -
I, too, agree that everyone must be able to say anything. If what was said was stupid or self-centred, it'll be ignored. If it was spiteful, people will remember it and hold you to it. The same happens if what was said was considerate or generous.
www.hfalicia.com
www.alonsomartin.mx
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Hayo
Stone Goose
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15/08/2002
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14th October, 2011 at 09:31:06 -
I too believe people should have the freedom to say anything. I also believe in the freedom to punch someone in the face for it.
www.hayovanreek.nl
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UrbanMonk
BRING BACK MITCH
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07/07/2008
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14th October, 2011 at 15:35:18 -
Your freedom to swing your fists ends where the other persons nose begins.
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Hagar
Administrator
Old klik fart
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20/02/2002
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1692
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14th October, 2011 at 16:23:24 -
I'm all for freedom, freedom of movement, freedom to drive, and freedom of speech.
Even though I dislike smoking, the way the smoking ban is handled in the UK is beyond a joke - can not even smoke outside the premises in a lot of places, there is a designated smoking area.
My other major gripe is my freedom to not carry formal ID. I try to do the right thing and I do not break the law, I fail to see why why the law abiding should be punished with more beuracracy.
And I agree with Fordom, England has lost a lot of it's civil liberties in the last twenty years or so. But I think most places have!
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