what are your views on pitated music. I personally see no problem with downloading music because i see it like this:
If I didn't download the music then I wouldn't pay for it either, so either way the record companys get nothing, so why shouldn't I choose the option that gives me something.
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25th October, 2003 at 15:17:32 -
i see no reason why i should pay for music. it's a form of art, and if the artists really care about their art then they'd want to make it so everyone can appreciate it, and that means not charging a million quid for 12 songs. besides, if you buy a record, only a tiny percentage of the money goes to the artist, the rest goes to the fat cat record labels.
btw, kazaa itself is not illegal, but sharing pirated material on it is.
The artists made the songs to SELL THEM people! You cant read their minds. If they DONT have an album with the song you want on it, and the artists themselves give it to kazaa or wherever the **** you wanna download it from, then by all means. Its a trade. You wouldent wanna work for free would ya? Neither would they.
By the way- its called PIRACY for a REASON.
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Theres my 2c
I don't really download a lot of music, but then I don't really have a lot on CD either - I'm quite selective <¦-) In my view, there are some artists who qualify as "You're great, please have my money", though I don't see people downloading music as a huge problem.
www.noiserecords.com have a rather good system - rather than releasing singles, the bands on the label release a free MP3 or two from each album, allowing listeners to get a feel for the songs before buying as well as discouraging them from downloading the whole albums. Well, it worked on me.
hadoken, kazaa itself is completely legal, because it's only offering the means to share music, not the actual music. it's the people who share the music, so it's the people who get their pants sued off.
i download most of my music. but because i have an incredibly slow modem (i get about 3 kbps), so i still buy a cd if i like what's on it, since i don't really have time to download everything that's on a cd from kazaa. so basically, i'm happy, and the record companies are happy.
so i have a solution: limit a)bitrate, so that downloaded music is lower-quality, and b)download speed, so that it takes freakin' forever to get a song and you won't wanna download a whole CD. so pretty much, you can download a whole cd's worth of horrible-quality music. so, hopefully, people will both buy music and make good buying decisions based on what they've tried out.
oh, i'm so wize. -_-
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-Henry David Thoreau
Why would the piraters dileberatly make there downloads slow and rubbish. Also the avarage download on kazaa goes at about 5 kbps for me and I have broadband, so you can't do much more to slow it down.
The way I see it, music has become too commercialized. Out of the $15 to $20 you pay for a CD, the artist sees maybe $3 or $4 at most. The rest goes to advertising, music videos, fat record execs etc. If they got rid of all that crap and sold their CD's for a resonable price -- say $7 to $9 a CD -- then I'd probably be willing to purchase music, and they'd still make more money since most of the cost of the CD would be returned to them.
I think it's slowly killing the industry, and it's not going to be something that is easily stopped.
I think within the next couple of years we may see new ways of anti-piracy in CD's and DVD's to stop people ripping music and so on. But it's not easily done. And music will probably more than likely go up in price because of it.
It's not going to good places, and there are many artist out there struggling because of piracy. I hope it all works out for the best, for the sake of the music industry.
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What I hate is when people talk about the "Music Industry" as if it is a poor homeless kid when in fact there swimming with money and it's because they spent endless years charging 20 quid for a CD with 2 good songs on it that there in this mess now.
What is music? A series of vibrations in the air, that your ear turns into tiny electronic signals that get sent to the brain and make you hear. What's the point of giving pieces of paper to people behind a bit of wood to get a few vibrations?
Well...Um, Kazaa is slow. Even on a 24mb/s line (local internet cafe when noones in there!)
i use KaZaA to download the music you can't find in stores, mostly made with ejay-like stuff
the free music is better, because there's no need for people to like it, as long as those who made it like it, they'll upload it
who would try to sell an album with songs they know only a small group of people will like?
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"What I hate is when people talk about the "Music Industry" as if it is a poor homeless kid when in fact there swimming with money and it's because they spent endless years charging 20 quid for a CD with 2 good songs on it that there in this mess now." - LittleGuy
The thing is that now all of the industry is "swimming with money", think about the little no name bands starting off. Trying to get a break. The artist don't get a whole lot of money from their album sales. It depends on what their record deal states from their publisher, and only the biggest most successful names get a great deal out of their publishers.
I heard even the biggest of names in the industry get something like 50 cents US a record they sell. Think about having a 5 piece band getting that kind of money, that's 10 cents an record. If you sold a million record you'd only end up $100,000 each. And that's not alot when you realise how expensive equipment, and travel expenses on tour are if you gotta make it on your own.
There's plenty of music in the industry, but it doesn't all goto the artists. The record companies and publishes get alot of it.
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Well now I think decent bands should get a fare amount from thee record sales, you know, bands who can actually write and play music. While those stupid bands that just dance around to the tune of a tape someone prpeared earlier get less than 0.1%
I never thaught of it from thee bands point of view - oh well im not a band
Well, I like to think I can write, but I only know roughly enough guitar chords to form a nu-metal band. It's the bands that I think have talent that I pay for music from, but that's a matter of opinion really.
My opinion on this subject would be that I believe in the case of singles, expunging 6 dollars or more is an outrage and deserves to be pirated. If you enjoy the single of an artist, chances are (60% chance if you're an actual CD buyer in the first place) if you liked the MP3 you downloaded, you're going to get the album. That seems just as good as the chances an artist gets from their song being played on the radio.
In my opinion, the amount of anti-piracy measures the MUSIC industry (not the movie industry, I believe that no movie should be pirated unless it was to overcome import restrictions) imposes upon users is ridiculous and is going to result in them passing the bill onto the customer because of their greed. The industry is near the end of the road as far as trying to fight online music sharing goes. Once they see the light, they're going to realize "If you can't beat em, join them" and start selling music online at a reasonable price as a way to make money off of this internet music phenomenon instead of losing money from it.
Remember, those statistics they put out quoting losses aren't just from music piracy. They're for every bad business descision they've ever made. They just want to blame it on the easiest scapegoat so that they will lose the least amount of investors.
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