Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
9th January, 2004 at 09:23:41 -
You may think that, in your country, you have freedom of speech, and therefore, by proxy, you deserve it here. Firstly, you don't have freedom of speech in your country, and secondly, you don't deserve it here. So you're pretty wrong, aren't you.
My first point: Freedom of Speech is an ILLUSION, comrades, created by your government. Looking at the hit stats of this site - http://www.nedstatbasic.net/s?tab=1&link=1&id=1800937 - we see that the USA, the UK and Australia provide us with the most visitors. These countries share similar laws with regard to free speech. I know for a fact that, over here, it is ILLEGAL to use racist slur. That's right, illegal; you could get sent to prison, or fined, for it. I'm not saying that I disagree with this law, quite the contrary, but the very fact that a certain thing has been disallowed shows us that our speech really is not free. What we can and cannot say is actually controlled, quite considerably in fact. And you've all heard of slander... we can't just say something totally unjustified about a body and get away with it. They could, and would, sue us. The question is, do you REALLY have freedom of speech? The answer is, no.
So when you here these crazy American war mongerers yakking on about how they're so much better than the old Iraqi regime because they allow people to protest, whereas Saddam Hussein would have had protestors shot, they're really not saying that much. Because the same protestors could not then go and publish a newspaper in America saying "George Bush sucks his Dad's cock!" and get away with it. Their speech is still restriced; just at a higher level.
Yet, thanks to this marvellous thing we're all plugged into now, the Interweb, they could very easily register a website and type it up there. Freedom of spech is not restricted on the net because, at heart, it's an anarchy. There is no governing body, no rules of use, no laws. On the web, anything goes. If a man living in the US owns a server in Armenia that he hosts Warez on, the US government can't do anything about it. The Armenian Governent could, expept they have no laws on software piracy, so they won't.
So, the Internet in general is an anarchy. This leads on, neatly, to the second point. Because this site itself is not an anarchy. We have a "leader", ShadowCaster, who basically owns the site. And there's the admins, who do the administration. And there's you, the reader, the little person. You have no power, I'm afraid, much as some of you may like it. Incidentally, to those who say, "well, actually, WE own the site as it's run off donations", I'm afraid you're wrong. Donators give the money to ShadowCaster to use at HIS discretion, no theirs. Cool and generous though they are, the donators are trusting their money to Shadow and do not get a say in how the site is run.
I've said it before, but I think it needs re-iterating: you don't have any claims to free speech here. None at all. Whatsoever. If you say something we (the admins) believe to be of detriment to the site, it will go. I can see that you'd be pissed off if you paid a subscription to this site, or if it was run off your taxes. But my point is that this site is registered to a Mr. ShadowCaster (or rikus, but I think he's handed it over) and it remains his private property. You use it on our terms. I know that currently these terms are sort of unwritten and mostly common sense, but I'm planning on getting them clarified in the near future.
That's the lie of the land: "our way, or the highway". It is not Nazism. Hitler was legally elected by the German people and abused his power. We have not been elected to run this site, we simply do, and we're doing YOU guys a favour. Ever heard the expression "Don't look a gifthorse in the mouth"? It bears particular relevance here. And, incidentally, I'd really love to see how this site would fair without an administration at all.
Feel free to disagree with me. We may be able to do what we want, but we're still much more lenient than we could chose to be. Just be thankful for that.
I thought dave_C was banned. Did he star a new account.
Well, if I ever said anything against the admins, i take it back. For the mostpart, they do an awesome job. I mean, CIRCY overdoes it a bit, ut I can't hate him for it. Anyone who needs proof, ask about Dave C's old posts. I stand by the admins, especially nattress, who is my favorite admin.
Remember, there's a little darkness in all of us... we just express it best.
--Ragnarok Games
Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
9th January, 2004 at 11:14:32 -
he says he has some concession from shadowcaster. i'm fine with him being here on the condition he stops the "dawg" rubbish and stops insulting people, and i've told him as much myself in an email. suffice to say, i'll be watching him...
Actually when I first read this topic, I thought it was you, Paul, who wrote it
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Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
9th January, 2004 at 11:51:40 -
I wasn't addressing those who believe this is a dictatorship, Paul, I was addressing those who are protesting they deserve freedom of speech. Whilst I don't like being called Hitler, it's not what my agrument is here.
I'll pass on the raping small boys thing as I don't want to know what you do in your private time. (silly smilie face)
I'm not just talking about admins locking topics where people are arguing with them... I've never delibrately done that myself. I will argue a point as much as I please... the topics I lock involve arguments that just descend into petty insults, like the "interface debate" or the "lots of x members" thread. If I was _involved_ in the argument, or if the insults were directed at _me_, then so be it, but i'm doing it for the greater good of the site and not because I'm too coward to continue an argument. Similarly, I will take action if I have no involvement in the debate whatsoever. For example, a certain member was blindly insulting Fishead and Jon, so I locked the topic. Why? To prevent a massive flamewar, is why. I wasn't under fire at all and neither was any other admin.
I think you have the wrong end of the stick, Paul, if this topic is indeed a stick rather than a topic. As I read it, you think I'm saying people don't deserve freedom of speech when they're talking about the admins. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that people don't deserve freedom of speech when talking about anything. And you also forget the alternitive to locking, which is topic deletion (a passtime I rarely indulge in). Locking, at least, allows people to see what has been going on, even if they can't reply. Deletion completely censors the site and people are left totally in the dark.
For people who don't like reading: Paul has the wrong end of the stick.
Actually, in the USA it is not illegal to use racial slurs (which is the way it should be, why should the government tell you what words you can use?), and it would not be illegal to publish a newspaper which said those things. Very few limits are placed on speech in the USA, except for on broadcast television. But that does NOT mean that the DC has freedom of speech. The DC is not a public service. Just as you can kick someone out of your house for whatever reason you want to, so can the admins on the DC ban you for whatever reasons they see fit. Freedom of speech does not exist on websites, and never will.
Edited by the Author.
99 percent chance that the above post is 100 percent correct.
Pete, you're brilliant, but let me put it another way.
(NB This isn't directed at any one person)
Of course you're granted freedom of speech here - we don't force you to think in any way. The only thing we have to enforce is you're not an idiot about it, and that includes mindless insults, racial slurs, the breaches of simple "netiquette" seen so often on these boards, and so on and so on. It's those that we have to censor. Those who can't follow that simple rule don't deserve the freedom of speech that they've been given and are treated accordingly.
You can say what you like, within normal limits. As for the swearing, I don't mind it even though I tend not to swear myself, but other people might. Just keep it reasonable.
Ehm! you should have written it in the misc forum. Please stop spamming the wrong forum
Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
9th January, 2004 at 13:29:10 -
The reason I said I pass on the raping boys thing is because I just don't see your point (perhaps you could explain it a bit more), but anyway. And I wouldn't lock a topic containing a post that said "Paul rapes small boys" if it was
a) mentioned by yourself at a previous point in whatever fashion (as in this post)
b) by a member who, as far as I understand, you know fairly well (JD or BlueEmu in your case, for example)
c) taken in good humour by yourself in a later post
d) if the author obviously meant no real offense, perhaps indicated by a or a or whatever
e) if I have reason to believe you rape small boys (cue stupid smilie, as described above)
So, you see, with your specefic if not somewhat worrying example, there are many contexts which would be considered acceptable. So if you were to give me another example, the action I would take would depend on the context.
Enough with that... back to the admin's supposed freedom of speech. Whilst it is true that I can say what I like, that is not to say another admin will stop me. In fact, quite a lot of the more risqué things I have said in the past have been edited/removed by another admin (no idea which one)... so my own freedom is merely as great as yours, when push comes to shove. So this is how DC is nowhere near a dictatorship - we have more than one person pushing the buttons.
Mr Coffee, I didn't know that, but surely racist publications are severly frowned upon? I don't profess to know much about the big ol' U S of A but I'd have thought they would be slightly more civilised than that. In lieu of these new facts, may I ammend my example to "You can't say George Bush sucks his dads cock" on TV.
Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
9th January, 2004 at 13:34:24 -
wong says what i say without the sharp bits for realists like myself.
i've just been rereading what i've said, and to clarify: when i say "you don't deserve free speech" doesn't mean you're not getting it; just that you shouldn't come here expecting it.
thank christ i'm on holiday from work, otherwise i'd never have the time to write so much.
This thread and Pete's avatar combined makes him seem very political. Yeah! Pete Natress for president! (just kidding)
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Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
9th January, 2004 at 15:46:47 -
actually, JD, i wasn't referring to you. perhaps you have a guilty conscience?
yes, i am aware of the old "lock topic and make a post that no one can reply to" syndrome but that's usually just to clarify why the post has been locked... and maybe the addition of certain relevant opinions... i was trying to refrain from doing it, but it's very tempting in some cases. i'm sure anyone would do the same thing in certain situations. we're not perfect.
"Freedom of Speech" is an ideal, but I think "Freedom of expression of oppinion and information, but not when the former is told as if it were the latter" is more reasonable.
Yawn. Boring is this. Not bother reading everyone's crap will I.
Seriously, this is getting old. I myself am on the fence, I don't fully agree with faction, but I think the Nazi thing has gone way too far, and the whole idea is out of context anyway. Think I might go on a break from the boards for a while, can someone send me a pigeon with a message or something when this crap has all calmed down?
TDC, right now, is in turmoil. TDC is more like the Greek Republic, with the normal members being the slaves who have little to no influence, the famrers and artisians (in our case the less-powered admins like Pete and Wong [yes, i believe pete's doing the most to clean up the mess on tdc. {I'm not just kissing your ass.}]) who have some influence, and the rich people (shadowcaster, rikus) who control everything, but let the middle class have a say occasionally.
Remember, there's a little darkness in all of us... we just express it best.
--Ragnarok Games
I think I can sum all this up with a few simple words...
What a load of WILLIES!
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
"You may think that, in your country, you have freedom of speech, and therefore, by proxy, you deserve it here. Firstly, you don't have freedom of speech in your country, and secondly, you don't deserve it here. So you're pretty wrong, aren't you."
Oh my fucking god. Nazi proof wrapped and ready to rumble. I don't care what some Hitler wannabe says, I am gonna say whatever the hell I wanna say! You don't like freedom of speech bitch face? BLOW MONKEYS! I'm not gonna bother with an actual point cos I never read 'em so why would I write one.
"Because the same protestors could not then go and publish a newspaper in America saying "George Bush sucks his Dad's cock!" and get away with it."
Why publish it in a newspaper... the tabloids always lie. Put it in a documentary so we all know that it's 100% true.
I think our point is when we say "nazi admins" is that this site is not a country, and ShadowCaster, Pete you are not world leaders. Your two bit nerds sitting in a garage telling your mommies you don't want any prune juice. So friggen get over yourselves, get over the site and let us enjoy ourselves before you admins are making topics "Hello... is anybody there?" and getting ZERO replies! ZERO!!! ZEEEEERROOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Go Pete!
I agree so much!
At least with the restrain
your mouth stuff. People
post stuff they really
shouldn't.
I'd hope I was a middle-class
citizen in that Greek TDC.
-Above post is ancient and probably irrelevant-
An old account of mine, recently cleared out. It's a blast to the past, the age was marked as 14 when I found it. If you know where to look, you can track me. Au revoir.
"And there's one thing about freedom of speach, you can say anything as long as it doesn't infringe on others' freedom"
mabye that should be a rule here
i dont know if there is a list of rules anywhere ive never looked, but if so you could add some about writing offensivly unless its already there.
oh an try to remember everyone that this site is about games isnt it?
spend less time trying to prove yourself right about whatever and more time making those lovely games or awfull as the case may be.
*sigh* Ok, let me repeat this again. The DC is not required by ANY law to have freedom of speech. Just like you are not required by ANY law to have freedom of speech in your house. Using the DC is a privilege, not a right.
Also, I get the feeling some of you are complaining just for the sake of complaining. Really, the admins here are not even that strict. Most people are obviously happy with the DC, if they weren't, then the DC would not be so popular. Everyone should just calm down and have fun for a change.
99 percent chance that the above post is 100 percent correct.
Pete:
You should've just put this in an article and nail a link it to the front page. At least everyone would read it that way.
Or better yet, instead of comparing the DC to a goverment, compare it to a business. If you don't like the product, don't use it. Simple as that. And tell everyone that there's no customer complaint booth and that the managers are busy .
"Hitler was legally elected by the German people and abused his power. We have not been elected to run this site, we simply do..."
> It's despotism, then. About as bad as Nazism. At least if you were Nazis, you'd be executing the people who prefer the other sites like um... Total Klik. Wait... Total Klik is dead. Coincidence or assassination?
"we're the admins. you're not"
> That line is really gonna knock down your popularity with some people. It's just like saying "we're the government, and there's nothing you can do about it". At least there's no taxes? We don't have rights till you tax us.
Andyuk:
I think all the fights and revolutionary actions are confined to the forums and the comments in the downloads page. I bet 75% of the DC members don't even know that the others are complaining outside articles and comments.
Oh, and I agree with Mr Coffee's signature and what Ashman said about tabloids and documentaries.
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.
Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
10th January, 2004 at 04:54:20 -
yeah muz, i admit that is a bit harsh, but let's face it... it's true. the members of DC are here on shadowcaster's terms, and the admins are the enforces of said terms. if they chose to disagree to the terms, they should leave. what is annoying me is that people are expecting a democratic public service from this site which we never pledged to give.
Mr Coffee NEWS FLASH! I have fun complaining and calling people nazis... Besides what you said about Assassin 2 has revealed you to be the ultimate tool, so my interest in your post is gone... nnnn-now!
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Oh man...is that what happens here when have a few days of partying.
I don't really have the time or the patience to read all of this crap, but I kinda understand what people are saying. At least I hope.
Of course not all of you are as laid back and down to earth as some people, ie me . So it means you going to take everything people saying to your or about you serious enough to take offense to it.
My question is why be so uptight?
Why live your life going...oh no he said something about my mum/race/colour/accent/nerdism, and have a big whinge and quarrel about it.
This is how stupid things like wars start. Sure, without a doubt there are dickheads and bullies out there who find it fun throwing abuse at people...especially when they react. The best thing to do in that situation is ignore it, especially when it just totally unreasonable and untruthful, and move on.
Why listen to something someone says when there is no truth in it, and is merely directed at you just to spark a negative reaction?
Most of you people would be nothing like me and my mates. Just as an example, i'll use my trip to the beach yesterday as an example...
I'm hungover and we're driving along. I'm swearing my arse off cause i'm in pain. And basically I refer to my mates as dickheads, c**nts, and constantly telling them to f**k off...and you know how they react? They laugh! Yes, laugh! And I laugh, and we all start laughing. Cause these are merely words that have lost their meanings and if your taking offense to them you are a simply a prisoner of social shaping, and you need to learn how to relax!
That's my 2 cents. Words arn't harmful...especially over the internet! Get a sense of humour!
MUGGUS
Come and annoy me more at
www.muggus69.tk STOUT ANGER!!!
*Puts Muggus's words on a massive neon sign and points!!!*
Read, sensitive little bitch monkeys!!!
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
You have a point, Muggus, but it's far more difficult to tell the tone of something when it's written down over the Internet, and what might be harmless to you could offend others.
Yeah, but Muggus theyre your mates, everyones like that with their friends. Youve gotta realise that not everyone is your friend ,theoretically, maybe your some kindof of really great person that everyone likes, but in a place like this you just cant presume things. I agree people should be more laid back, but I cant tell them to be.
Like Petes overquoted comment:
'we're the admins. you're not.'
I didnt take this statement personally, its just his way of being serious and having a laugh. However it is slightly ironic that the admins can make a joke about certain touchy topics, whilst others cant, but the ultimate fact is: if I dont like it I dont have to be here.
But come on, imagine how boring it would be if everyone agreed with everyone else!
'oh yeah? he's thrown a kettle over a pub, what have you done?'
Dines, you are incorrect! See, if someone takes your freedom, you take out your Ak-47 and BLOW THEM AWAY!!! Just like when someone disses your fly-girl.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
I think there is a fair bit of malice in what people say over the internet, but it at the end of the day, it's down to interpretation and reaction.
Someone could say something offensive directed at you and it could just be a simple friendly tease, or they could literally be abusing you. It's hard to tell unless they make it obvious. So it's down to you interpretation.
Once you've made up your mind what exactly has been said, it's up to you to act accordingly...a come back perhaps? a taunt in return? or just ignore it and move on?
The thing is that everyones gonna have their own interpretation of what has been said, and react the same.
I don't see malice in what people say over the net, it's either just stupidity in the form of a pointless offensive gesture, something that is best not taken seriously; or someone voicing their oppinion, and there's nothing wrong with that, especially if it's well justified.
I don't think the internet should be a place full of hatred, haven't we seen enough of that in the real world as it is? Can't we all get along...even with different view points/cultures/unbringing or whatever.
I don't see why it should be that hard at the end of the day...I really don't!
MUGGUS
Come and annoy me more at
www.muggus69.tk STOUT ANGER!!!
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Wow, what an interesting read! "Yeah I agree with Pete. No, now I agree with Paul. No, now I agree with Pete again...!" etc. Two very intelligent people. Paul stopped though, what gives?
I think, if I make something for people to use (paid or not), I can run it how I want based on what matters to me. If getting more people to use it matters, and they're leaving because of the way its run, then I would change the way it's run.
But untill that happens, why should I change it?
(for people who don't like reading; Pete's an admin, we're not)
Good points Muggus!
I think that you have said all I could say.
I'm not sure what the best response is.
hhhmmm....
Exactly!
Edited by the Author.
-Above post is ancient and probably irrelevant-
An old account of mine, recently cleared out. It's a blast to the past, the age was marked as 14 when I found it. If you know where to look, you can track me. Au revoir.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Above is why fire does not deserve freedom of speech.
'oh yeah? he's thrown a kettle over a pub, what have you done?'
Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
12th January, 2004 at 08:58:49 -
for the record, fire had posted the word "FUCK" continuously without spacing, resulting in the page becoming distorted.
i really don't see why i need to argue my point any further.
and it is a shame that paul's stopped arguing. i was enjoying a nice argument back there. maybe he went outside with his girlfriend or something stupid like that.
I never noticed anything really that bad enough for this little "Speech" tobe made for. I mean It states the the MISC Forums is that you can talk about whatever you want and that, I think at least, happens to be what's happening, and With coding and the others Except maybe DC are just grand! So howabout we forget this little charade and keep going blindly and arrogantly forward?
the freedom of speech is really going
good at here.
we don´t have any censure, tv can publish
what everything that it likes, and tv
can even publish programs where the politicans
are clowns..
(remember who won motreaux´s golden rose last year?)
(itse valtiaat: operation esc)
and our country is the one of the freedomest country
in the world. (if i remember right, we were the third or second)
and of course i have to say some propaganda...
our country even had greater market levels than
U.S.A itself.
last year our global communications bring us up money
116 000 000 000 Usd and america get only 11 000 000 000.
you can see the differense?
nokia rules!!!!
call me nationalist!!!!
My name is Anego Montoya
You killed my father
Prepare to die.
I can't spell his name worth 2 cents and a ple of fresh dung.
-Above post is ancient and probably irrelevant-
An old account of mine, recently cleared out. It's a blast to the past, the age was marked as 14 when I found it. If you know where to look, you can track me. Au revoir.
Where the hell do you live, kari? And (or you sound like you are) you are dissing the U.S. NOONE disses the U.S. Censoring is dead where it doesn't need to be. No censoring whatsoever is a bad thing.
Remember, there's a little darkness in all of us... we just express it best.
--Ragnarok Games
Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
13th January, 2004 at 13:08:37 -
haha! another pointless, somewhat dubious victory for nattress, won only thanks to his main participant's total lack of caring.
Oh come on its pathetic saying DC belongs to Shadowcaster so either deal with it or have your opinions blocked by the all powerfull admins who can do whatever the fuck they want.
Ok Pete sure DC is owned by Shadow and his cronies but without the other 4000 odd members of this site DC is nothing but a bunch of semi facistic Admins.
Lets face it it isnt the admins responsible for most of the stuff that goes on this site DC is an outlet for community the admins should respect the views of anyone who wants to use the site because at the end of the day we provide 90% of the fucking content that lets you keep your all poerfull admin jobs.
Oh sure if someone is being a racist or is causing offence to someone in a malicious way the admins should send in the fucking swat team. But that just dosen't happen anymore instead we have our opinions blocked for no apparent reason with no explanation.
The problem is theres plenty of rules for us lowly users and no rules for the admins. An admin can call a member a stupid Fag like shadow did to JD but JD can't send him some abuse back . Is that fair?
Oh and freedom of speach is very much alive you just have to have the balls to open your mouth and speak your fucking mind like a lot of thourghly decent people have on this site and been sent to the TDC room 101 as a result.
Kari, are your market levels etc. relative to country's population? Or are they absolute values? If so, you are exaggerating. But you're right about that global communications bring us up money 116 000 000 000 usa get only 11 000 000 000.
NOKIA WINS MOTOROLA..... F O R E V E R ! ! !
Call me nationalist too! (If you don't know what land we are talking about, then look Kari's and my avatar. There is a white-blue flag. Find out!)
(Ja muuten, voittiko itse valtiaat: operation esc todella sen palkinnon! WOW!)
Do I have the balls to speak my mind...? Yes I do...
Mind Speak : "I want some peanuts"
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
To be honest I'm rather appalled by your post and the other topic you started, blueemu.
The admins are here to keep order on the site - something that isn't easy if members keep causing trouble, trying to "overthrow" us, or other such nonsense. You are free to speak your mind and always have been, as long as you aren't offensive about it - and different people have different ideas as to what's offensive in the first place.
There can never be complete freedom of speech because of that. Hopefully we'll draw up a set of rules soon, and this silly argument will be over.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
"Outshined" - SoundGarden
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14th January, 2004 at 10:32:26 -
A game? Drat. A real battle would be LOT cooler! Btw. How many members does HES have... Buster, Paul, JD, Crystal Clear(or is it?) ???
fine look im sorry I shouldn't have posted the other article that was stupid of me im sorry it was late and the little red guy on my shoulder with the pitchfork was being very persuasive. Im a nice guy really
I know what you're saying, but I can't think of a time when members have been "needlessly" deleted - it really is a last resort. As for post deletion, there are (hopefully) always good reasons for that as well.
What we need right now is a concrete set of rules, and hopefully that'll be discussed soon.
I think JD is saying that S-Wanker is a bit of a gerbil!
Does that count?
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
WTF!!! AndyUk that is totally unlike you!!! Whoever that is get out of his account or I'm SAVING THE PAGE and sending it to S-Wanker in accordance with the new rules.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
This is crap. Pure, grade-a crap. What I don't get is how the hell does one thing like mmf vs. tgf escalate into this. And if there ever was a battle between the admins and HES, i'd probably bunker up in a nice dirt hole and wait it out, throwing back grenades aimed at me.
Remember, there's a little darkness in all of us... we just express it best.
--Ragnarok Games
Is anyone else reminded of yet another classic Simpsons episode when they read Karnage's post!
I'm of course talking about -
*pulls pin off grenade and holds it* "This is for Charlie, and bla bla bla" and he goes on and the camera pans away and then suddenly BOOM! and all his gear lands and it's all scorched!! HAHAHA!
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
The Gerbils shall rule the entire earth! All hail the great Gerbil Empire!
Andy, that is nothing like you. Are you smoking
something or is that somebody else in there?
No offense to AndyUK, but that is NOTHING like him.
-Above post is ancient and probably irrelevant-
An old account of mine, recently cleared out. It's a blast to the past, the age was marked as 14 when I found it. If you know where to look, you can track me. Au revoir.
Without the forums theres no real place for anyone to talk about various topics.
Oh and we're not on a powertrip dude, we're just sick and tired of the complete idiocy that goes on here, and will be cracking down on it.
As I said, watch the language.
n/a
Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
16th January, 2004 at 15:42:14 -
i'm very tired of this now. i'm going to get even more itchy with the ban and delete buttons from now on, like circy says. and to whoever is hacking andy's account and thinks they're clever, well, what a sad little cretin you are.
Damn you Shab! You're the glue! Do not leave again without my expressed permission you stupid mother fuc... err nice person hehehehe err yes...
Stupid freakin' rules!
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Nothing I could say to that would comply with the new rules.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
"Outshined" - SoundGarden
Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
16th January, 2004 at 17:58:22 -
ashman is now like the v-chipped cartman in the south park movie. tee hee.
Do not liken me in anyway to South Park, Wetty! Ever!
South Park... UGH!
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Pete Natress:
"he says he has some concession from shadowcaster. i'm fine with him being here on the condition he stops the "dawg" rubbish and stops insulting people, and i've told him as much myself in an email. suffice to say, i'll be watching him... "
i can understand the insulting people part, but whats wrong with him saying "Dawg" i mean its all in good fun, its not hurting anyne its not effecting anyone.
"What I don't get is how the hell does one thing like mmf vs. tgf escalate into this. And if there ever was a battle between the admins and HES"
-WTF?, HES isnt against the admins, just some members are. in my opinion i think the admins are doing a great job.
Paul it was probably a perfectly innocent bolt of lightening!
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Because otherwise we might actually be able to enjoy the finer things in life, such as a good curse.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
I have made a test with one who don't curse (me) and one who does (a friend). The one who curse get sudden and inexplainible agressions against his enviroment, the one who doesn't don't.
swearing is one way of emphasising your point or letting people know you're angry. There are some people i know however that use a word so often they can't stop.
ever seen american pie? think stifler its funny stuff
but still swearing should probably be unacceptable here to be honest folks
I curse to let out my anger, not to increase it! Crystal, I never said ALL of H.E.S. I like anyone who thinks the admins are doing a good job, except ashman--I like him, but kinda think he's like low-grade glue to this site. He's holding it together, yet tearing it apart.
Remember, there's a little darkness in all of us... we just express it best.
--Ragnarok Games
99% of the anger I exhibit here is entirely fake, if you didn't know that you would be called a tool if it weren't a violation of the rules.
But I think I can sum up the motive behind swearing by quoting the great Billy Connelly yet again :
"Some people say that swearing is a sign of a limited vocabulary! But I must know at least... 127 words... but I still prefer 'f*ck'"
Point, made.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
"My name is Anego Montoya
You killed my father
Prepare to die."
Actually, Keatonian, it should be Anigo.
and he prounounces killed and prepare and father funny.
"My name is Anigo Montoya.
You kille my fatha.
Plepeah to die." is more politically incorrect.
I see... What is with all of these "Nazi Hitler" references?
We all have freedom of speech on the Internet and in real life... I guess. But it only goes up to a point when you're talking in public, and you can get in trouble if you don't watch what you say. What I am saying in this post is what I have recieved in knowledgebase from the rules of other online message board communities.
For one thing, they all have the strict law of "Freedom of speech, yes, but please watch your mouth, don't cuss, swear, or use improper language and slurs in general. We will edit your posts and warn you if we find you doing this, and upon further of your doing this we will take action." That is, say what you want, but if you start flinging words that would be, in a G-rated movie or under, bleeped out in censorship then you have gone too far and are in the wrong with your "You're not the boss of me, I know my rights, I have freedom of speech, I can say what I want to!"
Another thing is, a lot of the boards have a "Rants and Flames" board, or a "No Holds Bar" type of forum for people who want to let it all out. The Admins and Mods would allow messy enraged posts and posts from people who just want to be jerks and taunt each other to pop up here, but not allow them to come up in other forums. If the admins found any improper posts outside the "Rants and Flames" forum they would warn or ban the poster and move the thread over to Rants and Flames (or delete it, depending on the content and how far it has gone). Those places can get nastey, and I can only assume it'll attract a lot of bad people and idiots like the others have, but as long as they are contained in that forum all is good... right?
Another thing that has always been mentioned has been... It's not your website. It's not your message board. Unless you start paying for it and managing it, you need to abide by the rules properly. Step into someone's house and start flinging dishes and the owner of the house will call the police on you and have you arrested and taken away (If you're a minor and a child who likes to get into trouble, ignore the "I'm a kid, so I can get in trouble all I want and it'll be okay!" sense). This always seems to be a misconcieved idea on all message boards where some poster user has felt he has been wronged by the forum's admins and starts going around saying "I'm registered here, I found this site, I can say what I want to! Stop holding me back!", spamming the board and generally making a mess. No one likes a foul player!
So in general, just be nice. Be considerate about others who you know you're posting around and realize that how you talk and act may not be agreeable with others.
A lot of good points well made in that post, Chamzel.
The "Rants and Flames" board idea works in some places but not others. On the previous board I moderated, the admins put up one of those... it lasted about four hours before it was taken down again.
Pete Nattress Cheesy Bits img src/uploads/sccheesegif
Registered 23/09/2002
Points 4811
21st January, 2004 at 14:33:41 -
a rants and flames board would be a little too popular here, methinks. it'd be impossible to stop any arguments in such a board from escaping and i wouldn't condone its use on any site. obviously i agree with everything else chamzel says.
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