Thats the number of U.S. lives that have been taken in Iraq in order to find Weapons of Mass Destruction. President Bush recently made a joke of not finding any.
"Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be here somewhere," He said, in a slideshow while he looked under a chair in the whitehouse.
Do you think it is appropriate for President Bush to be joking about this kind of thing? People lost there lives because they truly believed there were Weapons of Mass destruction, and President Bush turns there cause into a joke. Is it right?
Whilst I agree he shouldn't be joking, the figure of 590 is manipulated. These people did not die soley to find the weapons, they also liberated the people of Iraq.
Whilst I agree he shouldn't be joking, the figure of 590 is manipulated. These people did not die soley to find the weapons, they also liberated the people of Iraq.
I agree with you Teapot... But I also agree that it should be NO joking matter.
Use Canadians shouldn't talk thou cause our Ex-prime minister ate Canadian beef around the time when we had the mad cow..umm cow. Then he replied, " See I eat canadian beef and me still he." JERK!
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"I have dreamed a dream... But now that dream is gone from me."
It's not so obvious, cause the media here is very messed up, and not everyone heres these things. They bring out bush to be Mr. Perfect.
Those soldiers were told there mission to begin with. Find Weapons of Mass Destruction. Liberating the people of Iraq was on the side.
590 is not manipulated. YOu can't say 400 were to find weapons, and 190 were to liberate the iraqi people. Both of these thoughts went through all those peoples minds.
The "liberation of Iraq" was just an excuse for the war that Bush came up with after we didn't find the alledged weapons of mass destruction that were "an imminent threat to the United States." Not to mention that the war was initially presented as an act of anti-terrorism in response to 9-11, which Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with. According to Clark's recent statements, Bush wanted to go after Iraq from the very beginning and is only using "anti-terrorism" and "liberation" as guises for his real intentions which are of course to control Iraqi oil, and to ensure himself a second term (very rarely is an incumbant president ousted from office during a period of war). God knows any educated American person wouldn't reelect Bush for any other reason after his travesty of a presidency (just look at the economy) ... then again 70% of our nation bought into the notion that Iraq was involved with 9-11 when polled immediately before the Iraq War, so I guess we're not that bright afterall.
I think Bush is an idiot. Presidents aren't suppose to joke or be funny. They're supposed to give long speeches that force you to change the channel and be a real fancy pants; they've got the money to do it.
Sure they are. Take Bill Clinton for example, but as he said himself, 'I guess I'm a lousy president'. Bush is an idiot though, you don't joke about a false war, mainly because of the people who died in said war, and also because Kerry is nipping at his heels.
"Presidents aren't suppose to joke or be funny" a lot. A little presidential humor now and then is funny. I must admit I laughed when I saw the photo of him looking for nuclear weapons in his office. I laughed even harder when I saw a picture of him carrying around a book called "Presidency for Dummies". I've also seen a photoshop edited picture of him and that vice president guy; they were deformed to look like Beavis and Butthead in the picture. Lol
It is only funny when someone else makes fun of him, even than theyre often pretty lame jokes. Its called satire. When someone feels they can argue back by making fun of themselves, especially about something serious and especially someone in such power it is ludicrous. He should keep those jokes to himself.
But who am I to listen to.
'oh yeah? he's thrown a kettle over a pub, what have you done?'
I think he has a right to make joke of that. He is a complete idiot and does not understand a word he's saying. You cannot blame him for that. Blame the voters.
You can see the RealPlayer video of it at rtsp://video.c-span.org/15days/e032404_dinner.rm - it doesn't have GWB doing the "speech" straight away, it begins at ~24:09:06
I'm going to assume that you anti-Bush guys think that if we had a different president and we were at war with some place that all of our troops would be invincible and we would have no deaths at all.
CRUSH!!
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"I'm going to assume that you anti-Bush guys think that if we had a different president and we were at war with some place that all of our troops would be invincible and we would have no deaths at all."
That's a stupid assumption - we think that with another president, there wouldn't be a war.
By the way: go visit the site Pete mentioned. (I didn't even know about that $1 trillion deficit - perhaps he should've done what Enron did and make it up ;P)
Uhh, I don't know about you guys, but If Gore was in office when 9/11 happened, I think we would have been more screwed.
Craps, I'm an old man!
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maybe a guy who uses his balls rather than his brain would be preferable in a situation like 9/11, but you could say that attacking afgahnistan was a futile attempt at a retaliation, when everyone really knew that no retaliation was possible as there was no absoloute proof.
strange how the spainish government do the opposite: their country has been attacked and instead of decisive action they move to withdrawing their forces from the conflict against terrorism. is this a bad decision? depends if you want your country to appear weak or not.
This is why I don't like to put in my vote. You're going to get an idiot either way. You get an idiot one way and people start taking opposite sides and saying how the world would be a better place if we had the other guy, but by the time we elect a president from the opposite party and we find that that person also gets a bundle of Americans kill... what's there to say then?
DEC Stuff, why did you make this post? You just posted about this. People die in every war, so whats your point? The number of people who have died in this war is very low obviously. Now maybe he should not have made the joke but lets not keep talking about that. It's over with.
Also, if you think one person (the president) controls the whole economy then you are very mistaken. The economy is not even that bad right now. Go look it up for yourself and compare it to the past if you don't believe me.
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I'll talk about Mr. Bush whenever I damn well please.
And another thing, I think Gore would know what to do. He would know not to be invading countries like Iraq, when they had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. And like I said before, we can go out and try and stop terrorism, or we can stop terrorism here. Here in Illinois there are tons of Nuclear Powerplants. If you ever get the chance to see one, do so. The only thing protecting them is a small metel fence in many cases.
Or what about industrial factories, or places were chemicals are made? Ever been near those places? Do they look like they are holding deadly substances?
"Also, if you think one person (the president) controls the whole economy then you are very mistaken. The economy is not even that bad right now. Go look it up for yourself and compare it to the past if you don't believe me."
-Yes, that is exactly what I think.- It is completely President Bush's fault and his fault entirely.
No, really, in reality, im not mad about the economy at all. Im mad because Pres. Bush gave tax cuts to the rich.
"Now maybe he should not have made the joke but lets not keep talking about that. It's over with. "
-Maybe you should ask my friends family that. They have there kid in Iraq. YOu think there through with it? That pissed them off. And you can't say the numbers are low. We've killed thousands of people in Iraq. I think it's great that we liberated the place, but what the fuck? Where are the IMMENENT WMD's?
DEC the numbers are low. Thousands, most wars are in the tens of thousands, and while our soldiers are dieing, every soldier knows that's a possibility when they join.
I'm not saying that we were right or wrong, the only way I would know that was if I had access to ALL information.
George Bush is not the problem, it is a system which allows him into powet that is the problem. But George Bush is still *a* problem, just not *the* problem. Another president may not be perfect, but hopefully they will be slightly better.
The thing that's a problem with politically hyper people is... Anti Bush people are like "It's all Bush's fault! If we had this other guy things would be better!", but no matter what the news says, no matter what you read anywhere about someone... **You never know what's really going on in that guy's head. You do not know what the guy really wants, regardless of what he says. You may read that so and so is like this and says all that and makes himself look like God and will make things all better, but there will always be a chance that your savior will be a complete screw off worse than Bush is said to be.**
CRUSH!!
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yeah! Blame those republicans! I pray he dosent get re elected. Hes done nothing but waste time, US money, and many lives. If only i was a few months older I could help stop him!!
President Bush... bah... more like Punchline Bush...
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
"Anti Bush people are like "It's all Bush's fault!"
It's easy to say that it's all Bush's fault, I know.
But what fault? I know some people blame him for the economy and they shouldn't. I'm talking about the war. I think him and his cabinet are solely responsible for that. They got support for it, but if they never did anything about it we wouldn't of gone to war.
Politically hyper? Thats bullshit. Thats the phrase people like you use when you can't know your wrong or you don't know what to say. Kind of like Rush Limbaugh every day. Politically hyper can be used to describe extremest, but not people like me. We are just pissed off, thats all.
There are good republicans, and there are bad democrats. I don't look at every republican and say damn he must suck. I judge them as equal as I can.
"DEC the numbers are low. Thousands, most wars are in the tens of thousands, and while our soldiers are dieing, every soldier knows that's a possibility when they join. "
-Many wars are in the millions. War is stupid, and whats the point if it's going to be conducted under false pretenses? If Bush came out and said, were gonna liberate Iraq today! Maybe, just maybe I would except it if we had international supposrt. But what the fuck? I don't recall him ever saying anything about liberating the Iraqi people in the sea of lies about Imminent Danger, Nuclear Weapons, Danger Danger Danger, Fear everywhere, watch your back, and other bullshit like that.-
It's not often the U.S. screws up. It's like some of the American people think that it doesn't happen. Some people (... Ann Coulter) Think that Vietnam was such a great idea.
Protecting nuclear power plants is all well and good, but it's better to stop terrorists before they get into the USA in the first place. Even if all those places were impossible to attack, terrorists would attack something else. You can't defend everything, so the best strategy is to keep them out in the first place. I actually think those places are defended better than you might think, they probably have security cameras that could spot someone snooping around.
Yes, Bush did talk about liberating the people of Iraq (go read the speeches he made) but that was only part of the reason for going to war. The main reasons were to protect US interests; stopping Iraq before it became a big threat, spreading democracy in Iraq, etc. Maybe the oil in Iraq was another good benefit, who knows. But remember the US is not just going to walk in and "steal" their oil, if they want to share the oil with the US then they can but nobody is forcing them to.
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"But remember the US is not just going to walk in and "steal" their oil, if they want to share the oil with the US then they can but nobody is forcing them to."
I thought that all contracts signed *before* an open and democractic election are binding?
Therefore I would think that if they install any non-democratic "half-way" party to be in power and choose the people to try and make sure that they are pro-US and do the deals.
Of course, I am sure all the people who leant Saddam money will be asking for the new democratic leaders of Iraq to pay it back. IMO any money given to Saddam can only be in a deal with Saddam, not Iraq as a whole, because he was not democraticly elected. "Hey, we helped your oppresor. Now give us the money we have him back." - doesn't make much sense to me.
Unlike some I do not think that Saddam should have been ignored, but going in without much planning for the consequences and doing it in such a way that it sets a v. bad precedent is *not* what I would call the right way to do it!
"You can't defend everything, so the best strategy is to keep them out in the first place."
-Security Cameras. Woopty Doo. These guys are ruthless. They can drive bomb trucks right into places like that. They will kill themselves, and thats the scariest thing.
And, what makes you so sure were stopping terrorism?
Some experts agree, were only feeding it with this war. Isn't that what we did in the 80s with Reagan? Why yes, it was.
You know what REALLY annoys me?
Okay, 590 american soldiers have died. That's sad, and terrible for their families. However in this three page discussion, NOBODY has mentioned that approximately 10,000 iraqi CIVILIANS have been killed in this war!
And that's civilians, not military personnel.
So why hasn't this been mentioned? Is it not far more tragic than 590 military deaths?
I don't care. This is not a site for politics. I don't take part in polititcs because it makes another huge war start again. Everyone will die a hideious screaming death. The end.
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I had just written out a fairly long post of my opinion about this war, when I stopped and thought about what the hell I was doing. In any case, a bunch of (mostly) teenage Klikkers can't pretend they really know anything at all about this war. We know what we know from the internet and the TV, both of which are heavily influenced by the media. What we know is only what our respective countries want us to know, and we cannot possibly see this war from all sides, thereby making it nearly impossible for any one person to give an accurate account of its happenings. We should all stop talking like this war's future and the future of the Iraqi people are up to us as individuals.
As for what Brad said... Damn. You have absolutely no respect for anything or any person at all, do you? This is a very touchy subject, and you handle it with no care whatsoever. I respect you as a Klikker, but definately not as a person from what you have shown me thus far. I hope you take that in a more informative way than as an insult, because I'm not trying to insult you. I'm just declaring my disgust.
Yeah, anyway, let's all just release some tension with a few games of MoD or something. This subject eventually just pisses everyone off.
I wonder if there is one place with forums that doesn't have this topic in the very words used in this title... myeh
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I wonder how long our new PM will be in though? He's kissing up to Bush. That has to lower his support by atleast %30. 
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