I think it would be a good idea to discuss what can be done to get more members on board. It would probably be best to to target people we know already own TGF or MMF2 on other free ware sites. Maybe even try to encourage a few ex members to pop in once in a while (Noodle, Hayo etc)
Lets not forget the members than visit the site but don't bother with the forums.
The problem isn't TDC itself, it's the click products.
I do remember the good old times when lets's say at least 80% of every freeware game was made with TGF or whatever, and now I can barely find any while visiting sites like Caiman.
Countless other tools are popping in and clickteam is loosing the boat, sometimes I wonder how the hell is it possible that 5 or so old and experienced individuals that work on MMF2 as their fulltime jobs can do so few when for example construct which is run by a 20 or so year old in his part-time while in uni is getting updated so quickly.
Like I said in a previous thread, selling the same product with diferent names and small updates over 15 years isn't a flawless strategy.
i like how people who recently left are popping into this thread. seeee its working!!! lol
oh and admin cecil!!! i would rule all with an iron fist!!!
just puttin that out there.
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24th May, 2008 at 23:26:42 -
Originally Posted by -Cakemonkey- I find it very ironic that the forums that are discussing if TDC is dead or not wind up pages long in a relativly short amount of time.
I agree
Maybe we should hold one of those "Make a game in 1 hour" competition. Those are fun! And we'll get some games really quickly.
On the discussion revolving the administration, you can not please everybody and I would hope that you guys never expect to try and do that. With that said, I would like to applaud Rikus and the others for keeping this site up as long as they have when many sites have died. That alone is something worth being proud of and I respect you guys for that. You may have a point Adam, but just know that you would not even be able to express your opinion in the first place if it were not for those same people who take the time out of THEIR DAILY LIVES just so that people like you can have a place to go to. I believe your heart is in the right place, but somewhere along that path you have forgotten something. You have forgotten that these people do not owe you anything and yet they are still here and so is the site.
As someone who is rarely on here, I do agree with some of what has been said. No matter who it is, I do believe seeing new faces in a community can be a good thing. At the same time you should not let that stop you from making games. I believe what Muz was trying to say is that the community should take some steps in making this a better environment one at a time. Not by blaming one group, but by everyone having a role and playing their part. There are plenty of people on here who have a good amount of knowledge on how one would go about making a game and actually finishing it. Those people need to step up and help the ones who may not know what to do. Everyone should be willing to help one another or give that extra word of advise. I say that if you truly want to make this a better place then you can start on that by being a better person towards everybody else, because it's not going to happen on its own and it's not going to happen by pointing a finger at somebody else.
"Adam, but just know that you would not even be able to express your opinion in the first place if it were not for those same people who take the time out of THEIR DAILY LIVES just so that people like you can have a place to go to."
So do the Clickteam staff, the Tigsource staff and I'm sure many other forum staff, that don't put up with the crap TDC takes. You can't use that "THEY'RE USING THEIR FREE TIME BLAH BLAH BLAH" excuse because if they're admins, it should be an honor and an enjoyable job along side the click hobby, not a grueling task they don't really want to do.
Originally Posted by -Adam- "Adam, but just know that you would not even be able to express your opinion in the first place if it were not for those same people who take the time out of THEIR DAILY LIVES just so that people like you can have a place to go to."
So do the Clickteam staff, the Tigsource staff and I'm sure many other forum staff, that don't put up with the crap TDC takes. You can't use that "THEY'RE USING THEIR FREE TIME BLAH BLAH BLAH" excuse because if they're admins, it should be an honor and an enjoyable job along side the click hobby, not a grueling task they don't really want to do.
I gave a legitimate explanation as to why they are unable to do as much. Now if you can not sympathize with that, then go ahead and make up what ever you want that suites your agenda. If you had looked outside of the box you would realize that not everyone has the leisure to always be on here like you. It is obvious to me that you have taken the little things for granted and because of that, this debate on my behalf is over.
Muz suggested that everyone start advertising, and I agree that everyone should do SOMETHING to benefit the community. However, when all you can do is come up with a conclusion that results in bickering well then you will get in return more bickering. What I'm saying is yeah we can say it's the admins fault, because it's the easy thing to do... OR we can start solving the problem today by telling more people about click team, being generous towards everyone on the site, and making better games for people to play. I challenge you Adam to forget what you have against the admins in this thread and come up with something positive that can help this be a better place.
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