Originally Posted by Eternal Man [EE] The difference between posting a thread about down-rating and actually down-rating is that neither me, nor Adam, nor anyone else would have to start a thread about it if it wasn't for people like yourself being abusive towards others to start with.
Abusive towards others? I didn't write "I'm rating this game with a big fat zero, just like you are" did I?
Originally Posted by Nim
Originally Posted by Phredreeke Just discard the lowest and highest 2 or 3 votes and calculate the average of the rest. That would make the ratings relatively tamperproof.
Wait, didn't you just kick the shit out of my game because you wanted to jump on the Phizzy bandwagon? I have some respect for Phizzy but not for actions like that. Sorry.
I'm sorry that you got caught in the crossfire.
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- Ok, you must admit that was the most creative cussing this site have ever seen -
There's a trio that form when Phizzy is around, Phizzy being the ring leader and AndyUK and Phredreeke following close behind like little lost sheep. You'll find that anywhere Phizzy posts they will too, and if someone has a disagreement with Phizzy, they will be there defending him at least within an hour of posting. It's honestly quite sad to see, perhaps if they were somehow separated this would stop
Okay can we try and stay on topic now please
We're discussing and looking into ways to prevent rating abuse so that all games have a fair rating. If you have any suggestions on how that can be done then please post them here - anything else can be discussed in other threads (as long as it is civilized) or by sending a message to a DC admin.
If this thread continues to go off topic then it will be locked.
Originally Posted by Flava If you have any suggestions on how that can be done then please post them here
As I said:
Originally Posted by Phredreeke Just discard the lowest and highest 2 or 3 votes and calculate the average of the rest. That would make the ratings relatively tamperproof.
- Ok, you must admit that was the most creative cussing this site have ever seen -
There is some point to that suggestion - if 10 people vote 5/5 and 3 vote 0/5, then taking the 2 highest and 2 lowest scores off will still average 4.44/5.
However, i still believe the best way is to not down-vote games because they have a high score and you disagree with it. Unfortunately, that requires every voter to vote in a mature manner.
Originally Posted by Mark Radon There is some point to that suggestion - if 10 people vote 5/5 and 3 vote 0/5, then taking the 2 highest and 2 lowest scores off will still average 4.44/5.
However, i still believe the best way is to not down-vote games because they have a high score and you disagree with it. Unfortunately, that requires every voter to vote in a mature manner.
Well, with the system I suggested, down-voting won't give the same impact, so people will be less inclined to do it as well
- Ok, you must admit that was the most creative cussing this site have ever seen -
Possibly, yes you could be right. However, if the down-votes were not included in the average calculation then you may find more down-votes will appear to get themselves in the calculation. 2 down-votes will become 10, then there is no end to the madness, especially when you consider the lengths some people will go to create phantom-accounts so that they can have 2 or more votes.
Let's not forget that the only person you're actually offending here is the person who posted the game, the reaction from everyone else is purely down to the injustice you commit by down-voting! Why go out and peeve someone off because you dislike -Adam-/-Codemonkey-/AndyUK/Mark Radon etc.?
Seriously, just rate the game in your honest opinion and leave some constructive comments with details of why you think it deserves your score - for all you know most people may feel it does deserve 5 stars, just tell them why you think different! If you still think it deserves lower, review it in the reviews section - your review will be absolute and no-one else can argue or change your score!
And if this still doesn't satisfy you, then maybe you are voting for the wrong reasons and maybe you need to grow up a little.
Not long ago, Friendly Strike 3 was released. Everyone (except for a few people) voted it 5/5 in the downloads section. I gave it a 4/5 and i wrote why i didn't give it 5 - i had a problem with the controls which made the game less-fun for me. Then reviews were written by Zoglu and Pixelthief, both giving the game 10/10. I didn't think the game was perfect, though i respected their opinion since it was their opinion!
So did i down-vote the game to balance things out? No, why would i want to annoy loads of people and offend the creator? So the game wasn't perfect for me because of the controls - others seemed to not care and were able to adapt to it better than me. Maybe it was me that was the problem, since everyone found it so playable, not the game. I am not arrogant enough to think that my opinion is the only way!
What i actually did to get my point across was to write a review. I spent 15 minutes or so carefully giving my balanced opinion of the game and i awarded it 8/10, not a perfect 10. I expected a backlash from the lovers of the game. I waited a bit longer for the backlash.
I still waited weeks later.
The backlash never came. Why? Because my opinion was balanced and i didn't down-vote the game in the downloads section. I made my point, i gave it a big loud 8/10 and i still conveyed my message without ruining the scores of everyone else - i deliberatly disagreed with the 5 star voters but i did it in a way that wouldn't offend them. And to prove this, i still have had no negative comments about my review after all this time.
The moral of the story is this; don't change your opinions, just change the way you convey them - use the reviews section!
Originally Posted by Phredreeke If someone registers an account and does nothing but downvote a game then that's pretty easily recognized as a fake account though
True, however it still counts and still adjusts the score. The admins are reluctant to remove these scores.
Originally Posted by Phredreeke Problem: You're relying on people to be nice. People are bastards.
Yes, i can see that. So that's why they can either decide to change becuase they don't like people disagreeing with them, else they can continue and find themselves banned.
This is how i see it.
Ratings turn the whole thing into a popularity contest. It breeds laziness and encourages people to vote before they have even bothered playing a game properly. Games are much more complicated that a tiny 5 star scale could ever accurately portray.
Just having thumbs up might eliminate downvoting, but thats a tiny problem that has gotten more publicity than it should in my opinion.
I say get rid of easy ratings and encourage people to make reviews. Reviews are much more helpful because they're not filled with mindless praise. (well most of the time) A few tutorials on how to make a good review would be useful too because some ive read are like love letters to the creator.
Great idea. And how about a minimum word count (150 say) so that people don't just write a couple of lines then give it 0 anyways. I like your idea, for sure!
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