I was just thinking about it and wondered... why do games need so many ratings before it's officially 'rated' and shown to have a rating on the download page?
This leaves hundreds of games left with out any score what so ever, despite having 3-4 ratings. What could go wrong if they're rated as soon as there's one rating? If some one rates 5, the game will get downloaded, and if it's no good it'll be down-rated straight away.
This means that the games all get a chance of getting a good score, because some people will only download a game once it's got a decent rating. I say you should post an average of all the scores combined, as soon as the game's rated once. I really don't see any reason to keep this current system of 'Only display the game once there are 6-7 ratings'.
Don't aim for perfection- you'll miss the deadline
'~Tom~ says (16:41):
well why does the custom controls for the keyboard palyer even affect the menu controls at all whats thep oint jsutm ake it so for the keyboard palyer on the menu screens everything is always up down left right enter regardless of the controls they set'
i have wondered this myself. almost all my games have over 100 downloads, and i think one has about 8 star ratings. none of them have an official star rating. i think the threshold is 10. thats lame.
That will ruin the top 10. It wont show the best (or TDC's favourite) ten games but 10 that just so happen to only have the one vote.
You might think it will be sorted out by people downloading it and rating but more games will fill in the gaps. There will always be a large amount of games that don't deserve to be in there.
Well, with that the Top Ten could still be based on the original formula, simply changing the download page to show average ratings for any game with ratings. And also maybe a symbol that indicates Top Ten eligibility.
1 vote at 5 stars is less than 100 votes with 4 stars. the rating system is not screwed its the algorithm. if there even is one. if not i'll be highly dissapointed in flava or clubsoft. whichever coded the ratings.
and that was kinda the original point. games with one vote 5 stars would get onto the top 10 yeah. but would be knocked down almost immediately.
But then the highest-rated downloads would always be the newest high-rated ones. Sure it would get knocked down, but it would be replaced by the next, and the true best ones would be always just below the threshold. Just show average ratings after maybe 3 individual ones, and keep the rating "in the books" so to speak only after 8 or 10 ratings have appeared. If a game is worth being in the hall of fame, it will be rated enough times.
'But then the highest-rated downloads would always be the newest high-rated ones'
You do know that the top 2 games on this site have been made within the last 3 weeks, right?
I don't see the problem with highest rated games being the latest ones.New gamers deserve a chance, if it means that it's the highest rated game on the site then so be it. We can't just have the oldest games hogging the lime light for ever, how else do you think that new games will ever stand a chance?
It's almost as if the 'top 10 games ever' list is more important than rating and playing new games. Honestly, the best games have had enough recognition with out having to be placed on the top ten list.
Flawed rating system or not, I believe that something has to change.
Don't aim for perfection- you'll miss the deadline
'~Tom~ says (16:41):
well why does the custom controls for the keyboard palyer even affect the menu controls at all whats thep oint jsutm ake it so for the keyboard palyer on the menu screens everything is always up down left right enter regardless of the controls they set'
Originally Posted by Jon Lambert Well, with that the Top Ten could still be based on the original formula, simply changing the download page to show average ratings for any game with ratings. And also maybe a symbol that indicates Top Ten eligibility.
Hey, I don't give two hoots about the ratings system and the "hall of fame." If a game's good, we'll play it and enjoy it... having it at the top of some paltry list doesn't mean anything. I'm just trying to think up a good system for the members who do care.
"This leaves hundreds of games left with out any score what so ever, despite having 3-4 ratings. What could go wrong if they're rated as soon as there's one rating? If some one rates 5, the game will get downloaded, and if it's no good it'll be down-rated straight away."
> That was done a long, long time ago. You're right, it would be downrated, but it tended to mess up the perception of games. A lot of rather average games got 5 stars (usually by the creator) and were torn to pieces by the old members. The pre-Rikus TDCers weren't exactly very polite
The 6-7 ratings thing works. If a game recieves enough attention, it gets a rating.
I think it should be lowered to around 4 ratings for normal, 15-20 different ratings to qualify for the hall of fame.
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'If a game recieves enough attention, it gets a rating.'
Yeah, the problem is that there are many games that don't receive attention. And some of those games are better than some of the games that do. Simply by changing the rating system a bit would help these games to get more publicity if they get a decent rating that they deserve. Their rating shouldn't be based on the number of people downloading them, or else somebody famous on this site would get all of their games rated even if they weren't as good as somebody who isn't as well known.
Don't aim for perfection- you'll miss the deadline
'~Tom~ says (16:41):
well why does the custom controls for the keyboard palyer even affect the menu controls at all whats thep oint jsutm ake it so for the keyboard palyer on the menu screens everything is always up down left right enter regardless of the controls they set'
If you want your game to get more attention, you could always post it on other sites such as Game Builder first. If the people on game builder think it's good, they'll probably tell their friends on TDC, so when you upload it to TDC, you'll get more downloads. ^__^
This is probably a lousy suggestion full of holes, but why not have a decent team of maybe 8-10 TDC members become official TDC game reviewers who know the right score for a game? Then the game would only need 1-2 ratings to get the official score to show up. Other members could review and rate, but it would affect the score much less than a reviewer's score. Gamespot and IGN have done it, it sounds like a fair plan.
If you want attention you should probably do more than just make and submit a game here. Have a project-page? Tell community friends? Release a trailer before-hand on the forums? Or maybe broaden your audience by post the link of your game at other forums you visit?
As Chrilley says, you want your game noticed, put it in your forum sig, make a project page, tell people about it, ask an admin to frontpage it, make it worthy of attention. Changes to the system will do absolutely nothing.
...and if everybody did that we'd be in the same situation again. I don't care what happens, as long as it's fairer than what happens already. Look at the numbers of downloads just slipping down the list with out an official rating.
Don't aim for perfection- you'll miss the deadline
'~Tom~ says (16:41):
well why does the custom controls for the keyboard palyer even affect the menu controls at all whats thep oint jsutm ake it so for the keyboard palyer on the menu screens everything is always up down left right enter regardless of the controls they set'
Originally Posted by 3kliksphilip What could go wrong if they're rated as soon as there's one rating? If some one rates 5, the game will get downloaded, and if it's no good it'll be down-rated straight away.
Maybe you'll figure out what went wrong when someone submits Desktop Turd Manager 2009 and you see it at the top of the Top Downloads list on the front page because their friend rated it 5/5 as a joke.
Most people here know that a lot of members give 5/5 ratings to any game they quite enjoyed, rather than reserving it for truly special games. I imagine that the Top Downloads list would be full of recently added games that have yet to have their ratings evened out by other opinions.
Originally Posted by 3kliksphilip We can't just have the oldest games hogging the lime light for ever, how else do you think that new games will ever stand a chance?
It's almost as if the 'top 10 games ever' list is more important than rating and playing new games. Honestly, the best games have had enough recognition with out having to be placed on the top ten list.
Flawed rating system or not, I believe that something has to change.
I do agree with this one. I suggested something a while back that may have fixed the ratings/top downloads system we have now. You might know this feature as the "Favourites" you see on your profile, but the current system (with no effect on top downloads) was not at all what I suggested. It could've potentially replaced the Top Downloads algorithm and unbelievably biased "Recommended by The Daily Click" stars given out by admins, but it was watered down because adding new stuff is better than fixing what's broken You can check it out below: http://www.create-games.com/forum_post.asp?id=235490&s=45
Ratings are pretty frivolous given how a game can technically be rated without actually having played it. Not that I'm calling foul play or anything but ratings are a poor reflection of the overall quality of the game, come to think of it reviews are too.
Actually most of the comments on game submissions are pretty useless too.
Before I get shot, what if there were a fantasy site with a fantasy system where every game had a frame/code built into it that allowed one to rate the game once they beat it (and only the first time), and that rating would then be sent to the server? Then no one could rate it without playing it. Too bad that can't happen here. Maybe with DC Arcade games? Get over a certain score and you can rate?
well it can happen. to an extent. IP log people who have at LEAST downloaded the game. so if you havent downloaded it you cant rate or comment or review a game. that still means one could get away with actually not playng the game but people are less likely to go out of the way to download something just so they can be mean, then just delete the file. some games are rather large too.
Originally Posted by Scrap Collector Cecil well it can happen. to an extent. IP log people who have at LEAST downloaded the game. so if you havent downloaded it you cant rate or comment or review a game. that still means one could get away with actually not playng the game but people are less likely to go out of the way to download something just so they can be mean, then just delete the file. some games are rather large too.
Easily abusable. Someone tossing a mean comment could just click the download button to get IP logged, cancel the download, then put in a comment.
Like the '4 word limit' feature, this doesn't stop anyone who's determined enough.
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I think a mini-site should be created and a couple of reviewers assigned to write small reviews of games released here, as well as old ones. Maybe a "KlikCast" or "Clickzine" spin-off site.
Very valid points guys, thanks for bringing them up! We are planning to look into this, however, club is swamped with his real job now and is going to try and push the arcade out over the summer, next feature planned is the recources section of the site, and we shall take it from there. But keep those fresh ideas comin i'm sure club is reading this stuff to.
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If a game's good, we'll play it and enjoy it... having it at the top of some paltry list doesn't mean anything. I'm just trying to think up a good system for the members who do care. 
If you want your game to get more attention, you could always post it on other sites such as Game Builder first. If the people on game builder think it's good, they'll probably tell their friends on TDC, so when you upload it to TDC, you'll get more downloads. ^__^
