Okay I won't be surprized if this gets locked up, due to the people we have in this community, but I figure this post is a lot more structured than the "lets talk about girls" post, which will cause slightly less chaos. Moderators, give this post a chance, and I'll understand if it gets locked up in a weeks time. Anyway, I'm not having sex till marriage, because I believe that it is a sexual investment, which will get me more sex than I've sacrificed. Do you agree with my philosophy, or do you think that this sexual investment is my dumbest idea since click cash?
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Rhys, whats pathetic is that you go completly insane and start acting like a pompus jerk over a little post on the internet, seriously your so immature. The fact that some people do not wish to have sex untill marrige is to be respected, as it is morraly the right thing to do. Anyway, everybody has a right to there opinion, and nobody awnsers to the likes of you, thats for sure.
Yes I do think its a dumb post, but live and let live.
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What do you mean 'its morraly the right thing to do'??
Are you saying that the apes having sex in the trees are immoral beings cos they didnt go on a 'lets get married to a complete stranger' gameshow??
And if apes are immoral beings, I dont think I want to go to a heaven that doesnt allow monkeys.
Im bloody sick of people telling other people what to do. If someone wants advise on their sex lives, than theyve already made the mistake of asking the internet. We dont know eachother outside the world of kliking, and thats the way Id like to keep it with most of you.
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'oh yeah? he's thrown a kettle over a pub, what have you done?'
The progression of Jon Chambers 'loss of credibility' has been very entertaining. First he went into a nose dive and after all those "I once saw a girl, it made me spray my shorts" posts, I honestly thought he had crashed and burned. Now his mangled plane appears to be remaking "Journey to the Centre of the Earth".
People have their beliefs about sex! I accept that. I also accept that any normal person couldn't give a rodents rear end about your beliefs.
Sexual Investment?!?! That's a great idea. I know! Next time I feel like pleasuring myself, I'll invest it at an interest rate of 5.99% PA, so in about 10 years time... I'LL HAVE AN EXTRA WANK AT MY DISPOSAL!!!
Yes, Admins, let this post live. Let this LOL generating thread make us giggle at Jon Chambers' expense long into the future.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Rhys, I have only one objection to your massive rant. The rest is fair game. The objection is to:
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"due to the people we have in this community"
What, us 'non-believers'?
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No, not the non-believers. I'm all for the non-believers. You can not believe as much as you feel necicary. I was refering to people who post things irrelevent to the topic at hand. Like Hamish M.
It's true JD's comments were a little off topic, but it was all in good taste, so I have no problem with it.
Hey Ashman, a nice interpretation of what I said about sexual investment. It was great for a laugh. I know it's stating the obvious, but I just want it on the record that that's not what I meant. This investment covers sex only, and you can invest all or nothing. Any inbetweens will lose both ways.
Oh Ashman, you're funny again. Is this side B of the broken record?
Okay, the rest of this reply goes to rhys. First of all, 7 girls means nothing. That's like saying, I had 7 slices of cake. Were they big slices? Did they taste nice? Did they feel good in your mouth? How much did each slice cost you? Secondly, that ice breaker comment, eh, well, you did your homework on me, congrats. Yeah, I am aware that most girls, that wouldn't work for, but there are a few out there.
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Like I said, everybody has there own opinions, Im not trying to tell anyone what to do at all. I for one will be happy to have sex when im married, it makes it special, the whole world is revolved around sex its sickening, theres more to life you know. I have had many chances to induldge, and these girls you look twice at and up and down , but if you have sex then its like.. well now what..? It can also causes problems too, like STD and accedental pregnecies.
Anyway, im done talking about this, what I tried to say was dont put people down for wanting to hold out, dont let peer pressure make you do things you dont want to do, like smoking. If you dont want to, dont do it.
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I appreciate your courage to get up, ask taboo, even maybe more adult questions of a site clearly dominated by teens, and the fact that you know this will enividably get spammed to shithouse, you will get given loads of shit, and the thread will be locked by an admin of some description...
Anyway...on topic here...i'd like to maybe have some input...if I may, seeming though I have a fair bit to say on this topic...*clears throat*...NO PUN INTENDED YOU SICKFUCKS...
...onward...First of all, i'm not a relgious man at all. Infact, I go by the moto that relgion causes more problems than it solves, and I stick by that till the day I die from a crushed pelvis and my skeleton rots away, cause that what happens after you die ladies and gentlemen, it's a well documented fact...but i'm not here to bad mouth religion, I could, it's great fun, but i'm hear to bad mouth maybe something that certain religion supports...or doesn't support so it seems...anyway
I've been fortunate (or unfortunate it may seem) enough to experience this thing we know as premarital (sp?) sex. I don't deny that, and if you think i'm lying, my friends have some horrible first hand experiences you may not wanna hear...cough. But yes, been there done that.
And I mean it seems like this ultimate goal thing that you strive you, especially after several intent viewings of American Pie. And I spose alot of teenage guys think...Yes, yes. I'm gonna get me a fine woman and i'm gonna go getta mahself laid...or something along those lines. And I mean good on ya. It gives a purpose and progress to you life, especially if you find yourself a lucky lady, form a relationship and slowly work your way up to a special thing like that. I mean that makes it special.
And what can I say. Physical expression of emotion is a beautiful thing. Sure...the porn industry makes it up to be really smutty and dirty and almost disgusting...but it's kinda ya own thing when you there in the moment. And I think that's an important part...which what brings me to my next tragic admission. The fact that the longest lasting relationship of my life so far has been based around casual sex more than anything else. It's saddening, horrible, gruesome to admit such a thing, because in there I believe me and my partner could have had something. Cause, i've gotta say, sex is just not the same thing if there's not some kind of bond between you that's not just physical.
I mean wowy. You might hook up with some hot slut one day on say, oh I dunno, a cruise of Sydney harbour cough...and like get with her in like 5 minutes cause she's horny as all fuck and do the bad deed in a seedy toilet where there's some bloke spewing in one of the urinals. Sure, it's fun at the time, and you might get her phone number at the end, and the possiblity of more dirty spontaneous loving in horrid surroundings, but the fact remains there's not much actually keeping things together. Either of you can feel free to go off and have a go at someone else, and not feel guilty about the harbour cruise chick because you know she wouldn't think of you as anything but a fuck buddy.
What i'm trying to say here boys and girls that being this casual dood is not bad at the time, but the longer you do it the less meaning it has, and if you don't ultimately make some kind of actual emotional attachment to your partner, then purpose begins to fade, and it almost becomes this predictable cycle if you know what I mean. It's like same old same old, get it on, maybe it was better this time than it was last week, not that you really remember anyway. And that's what got to me eventually after a bit of unasked for, but important, consuling from my friends, is that what is the act of love to some, and should be a magical moment between two human beings, became this the addiction, this chore, this thing I just needed.
Pathetic as it were, i'd try to let go, but go crawling back for more like a junkie. I think a good line in a recent Offspring song say it well...Hit That
"Sex is a weapon
It's like a drug"
And I don't disagree with it. It's like "Here, have all the donuts in the world." And you really know you should stop eat them after a while cause you'll die some way or another, but you can't help yourself cause they're so tasty. Just a pure empty pleasureable addiction.
So I don't wish the pure sexual relationship on anyone. Unless you can actually have a bond of some sort that makes things more interesting, I wouldn't recommend it.
Although saying all of that crap about bad mouthing casual sex. It's not a bad thing, and all my past isn't gonna stop me from going out with girls and ultimately having a bit of action on the side. I wouldn't have it any other way.
In fact, that's why I'm not a fan of the no sex before marriage thing. Sure, good on ya for saving yourself for one woman for your whole life. That's being strong. But have you ever stopped to think about it?
I mean guys crave this 'sex' thing almost always throughout their teenage years, and even older, and it's not just about having IT...it's about having it as much as possible with different people. It's like choosing your favourite food...say you go wow pizza certainly looks nice...i decided i'm gonna have pizza...and you eat pizza for the rest of your life. As nice as it sounds you may just get bored or pizza, or not be fortunate enough to have pizza, you might have to eat cabbage for the rest of your life.
That's what I think about marriage. Why settle for just pizza for the rest of your life when you can have some hamburgers once in a while, maybe some chicken, or some big arsed steaks. And then maybe later on in life you'll make your decision and say, Well I remember steak was probably the best I ever had and i'm sticking to it.
That's my little metaphoric story for the day. I hope you read all of this, CAUSE I HAD TO WRITE THE BLOODY THING...
As for you boys who wanna keep yourselves until marriage, respect to ya...but I think your making the wrong choice!
MUGGUS
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Yeah, sex isn't the most important thing in the world, but it's damn close. I remember once I had this argument with someone, and there was this girl who agreed with me. She said, "There's more important things than sex anyway." The guys we were arguing against gave us both a funny look, and I just said, "She doesn't speek on behalf of ALL Christians when she says that."
Oh, and I don't smoke or drink. Here's my logic for that too:
If I open a box of biscuits, I HAVE to eat them all. It's not like, "I must eat them all", it's more like "Oh, that looks like a yummy biscuit, I'll just have one more." Then the whole pack is gone and I'm left feeling sick. If I'm like that WHAT THE HELL AM I GONNA DO WITH CIGARETTES? I'LL BE A FUCKING STEAM TRAIN!
Every Friday, I get all my friends together, tell them stuff I regret, make myself throw up, pick fights with people who can totally kick my ass and fall over whenever I get the chance. It my sound stupid, but it saves me a fortune on alcohol. (j/k)
To this day, I still don't understand the point of alcohol. I can fully understand getting other people drunk, but getting myself drunk? What's the point?
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Well, it's pretty easy to understand really. As a young kid the number of mysterious of the world around were everywhere. Every new day world bring forth a new adventure, and what could be consider the most mundane things to the older generation would be another chance of fun.
Now, of course, you grow older, and you grow out of these things. The world becomes maybe a bit dull, and needs maybe a bit of lighting up. Just so you can laugh, or think in an alternative light...enter mind alter subtances. The most well known and love of which you can purchase with easy quite cheaply is of course our friend alcohol.
I'm not saying that the world is always a dull place or whatever, and i'm not saying alcohol will cure it, especially being a depressent, but for me, and most others, alcohol is known as a social lubricant.
Basically what this means is it a situation involving people becomes more lively. I'll give you an example...
You have a party right. All of your mates are around. And I mean your trying to make it an adult type of party, you know lots of small talk, maybe throw a few snags and steaks on the barbie, put on some 70's & 80's style rock music. You know, you've typical boga...i mean normal house party.
Add some alcohol. A few beers maybe. Not only does it go well as great basting and non-stick coating for your snags and steak, it also gives you a reason to stand around with one in your hand and talk about sports, and just random things in your day/week/month that wouldn't seem nearly as interesting if it was delivered by a stone cold sober person to a stone cold sober crowd. Alcohol has this great way of loosening ones tongue so you'll actually say a bit more than you usually would and sometimes sparking much better conversation. It also lowers inhabitions, so temptations to do more daring and humourous things...like sing loudly to classic Queen tracks and dance like a dork.
The thing is, it makes people connect much better, gives them more to talk about, and pretty much livelies up social situtations.
In moderation, it's a great drug. Good beer, good buddies, good times is what I say. Maybe you'll understand when your older...maybe
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I have no problem with the topic of the post - it's only if it gets flooded with moronic posts like those at the start (which I have removed) that it will be locked. It seems that some people are capable of mature discussion here...
Yeah good going Wong, although I agree with much of what Rhys has said, I still think its good that your using unconvential methods, ie: not just slapping a 'this topic has been locked' sticker on it and filing it under topics that went wrong.
Muggus, I found your bogan reference quite offensive HAHAHA, you probably didnt expect many people to get that.
'oh yeah? he's thrown a kettle over a pub, what have you done?'
I don't have a problem with sex before marraige as long as there is genuine love between the two people involved. Casual sex, on the other hand, will do nothing but numb your feelings when there actually is love involved and will make the experience less special. At least that's the way I see it.
Ah, so that's why I don't like alcohol. If anything, I need a drug to tighten my tounge. I'm the kinda guy who'd talk about anything to anyone shamelessly. Or I could just stay up late. Being really tired, I start saying things I never even knew I felt.
Yeah, I'm doing just fine without alcohol, and I'm not going to try and fix what aint broke. (Though the real reason is probably that I'm too cheap to buy any.)
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I wouldn't know whether I like alcohol, because I'm too young to drink it.
Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
Even though I'm "supposed" as a Christian to believe that sex outside marriage is fundamentally morally wrong, I believe that it's perfectly valid. Not, of course, the kind of casual sex between two drugged-up morons in a bathroom in the back of a club in Ibiza or the like (that rather disgusts me) but instead consensual lovemaking between two partners, whether married or not.
Even then people would still do it, anyway, that's getting side tracked. Anyway, the whole point of waiting till marriage, is that you do it with the same person for your entire life. Now, by this time, chicks really appreciate that. I mean, the idea that you saved yourself for her, will never have anyone except her, and decided not to have any sex at all, JUST so you could have more sex with her. Now, it doesn't quite have the same effect on us guys, but it really gets gals in the mood. Now, THAT is a sexual investment.
Dude, sure I may be trying to work out what to do, and how to do it on my wedding night, but the fact that it's my first time makes it special enough. If it's her first time, she won't be dissapointed, because she's never had any better. Then as I get some practise in, I should be the sexual expert within a week. (I plan to get a lot of practise each week.) I don't care if our first time is special. The plan is firstly to make, MY first time special, and secondly, to make the second, third, fourth... ...fourty-two thousand five hundered and fourth, and my fourty-two thousand five hudered and fifth time special.
Trust me, ask around, the majority of the chicks would prefer to thier husband to be virgin on her wedding night, as opposed to her husband being experienced. They'd be busy worrying how they match up, and of coarse they won't believe you 100% when you tell them you're the best you've ever had.
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I admire your resolve in deciding to not have sex before marriage, but it seems you're abstaining for the wrong reasons... the way you said "chicks really appreciate that" and "puts gals in the mood" reminds me of the average Sun reader, although what you said at the same time was quite reasonable - it's all the more special to save it for the one person.
The world will one day be overpopulated because of these posts.I'd say in about 10 years the global population density will be 5.8 humans per square inch. Crowds suck,especially dense and big ones.
Snerlin of Neonair: IIRC, research shows that in richer countries and in countries which promote safe sex, there are lower child-birth rates. It's only when there is no access to "protection" and when people need children who can work early to help fund them in their old age that things start to go wrong. In fact, in some countries there isn't ENOUGH children being born!
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forgive my cynicism, but some chose not to divuldge in sex before marriage simply because they're not going to get some anyway.
and, based on some of his past postings, and not meaning to be horrible, i think this is probably the issue here, but i'm going to ignore chamber's stupid comments like "sexual investment" -- to which his reasoning is flawed as there's this little thing called lying which many men are capble of -- and add a sensible opinion like almost everyone else has managed to do.
i see absoloutly no problem with sex before marriage. religious teachings on it are outdated and serve little purpose on modern society (and i'm not sure that religion has stopped people in the past, anyway).
furthermore, there are 2 types of people with regards to sex: those who see it as a bit of a laugh, something fun, or those who view it as an intimate exchange of bodily fluids and a proclomation of lurve (sweet lurve). i'm not actually sure which group i would put myself into; but my general cynical nature would lean me towards the former. and i can see that a man in the latter classification would be willing to save himself for the "one".
oh, here's a stupid/sarcy thought to summise: get laid now, because you've got less chance as you get older. and you never know, it could be shit, so you'd have been waiting for nothing.
Lots of people who have been raised on religion, and even some who aren't, will think "Marriage before sex, gotta save myself for the right person!" Otherwise those who are generally pot heads and jerk bags who were raised poorly by their parents will go "Dood sex awesome, gimme gimme gimme!"
But regardless of which side you come from, there's always temptations and valid openings to "get some".
"sex is only important to adolescent male nerds and nymphos"
That makes no damn sense, it's important to all humans. How else would we (or any species) stay alive without it?
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I think you're looking at this all wrong. Among all the reasons to abstain, "more sex" is the worst I have heard. You would get more sex outside of marriage. The reasons I would give you are commitments are better, you don't want a horde of STD's, and it's religiously better. I wouldn't look at sex as a precious commodity.
Okay, here's the honest math behind my decision. If I devoted the next 4 years to getting laid, averaging once a week would be lucky. That's like 200 times at my luckiest. Now, if my abstaining gained me one extra time a month, and I found someone, in like 4 years time, for the next fifty years, that's 600 times. NOW THAT'S AN INVESTMENT!!!!
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Having the same sexual partner gets boring, why do you think people cheat and get divorces? It's better to be a freelance fuckmachine before your married so you don't have to worry about these things.
^^maybe you don't understand; I suggested you don't treat sex like currency. Of course I know you think it's an "investment." You're going to ruin your life with that viewpoint. It's not like the point is to get as much sex as you possibly can.
Sex has consequences, you shouldn't mess around with contraceptives unless you have AIDs cos its murder.
Sex should only be used to deepen the relationship between two married people and to produce children.
Abortion is murder.
Those are my beliefs and fuck you.
In most western countries there is a problem. People who are infertile and/or impotent cannot adopt children due to the use of contraceptives and the legality of abortion. Imagine getting married and wanting to have children but you can't because you are infertile, and then not being able to adopt because people are scared of having children and so they kill them.
Damien: So, in your view, not having sex to have kids is murder?
so, by the "potential" logic, if everyone has the potential to have, say, twenty kids (just for the purpose of this argument) and somebody ends up only having three children in their life, they have killed 17 people...? now thats just confusing and seems to actually promotes sex before marriage (as long as its not with protection and you'd keep the baby)
So let me get this straight, a condom is murder. The pill is murder. So, what about masturbating into the fucking toilet? I mean, with a condom, they've at least got a chance, you know. Wet dreams, are they murder too? Do I need to give every sperm in my testicles a fighting chance? What about taking drugs, to help me abstain from any sexual activity? Wouldn't that be killing my sperm also? Should I find a girl ASAP, and say too her, "take off your pants, I don't want to kill anybody, hurry before my testicles explode!!! Abortions are murder, yes I agree. Though c'mon, the survival of ants has a more deep and meaningful importance than sperm. Do you have a clue how many of those little things die anyway, even if you follow the rules. What does it matter if one seed of life doesn't get planted. It's not life, it's only the seed. Life begins when the male and female combine, condoms keep them separate. I've met people who were born under circumstances you've mentioned, and wish that they weren't. People like that often kill themselves later anyway. When the number of infertile couples outways abandon children, my views will change, but that won't be for a long time.
Tell me, two people having sex with a condom, is that really more wrong than two people jerking eachother off? Is that really more wrong than two people off opposite sex jerking off in seperate rooms? It which point am I killing something that wouldn't otherwise be killed? Is it wrong for me to get the sperms hopes up? Does it know the difference between a vigina and a toilet? Explain this concept to me, I don't understand even the basic logic behind this view point.
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...masturbating into a toilet is murder? Then I'm like the biggest mass murderer in history!!!
So basically, Jon, you seem to disagree with all the 'rules' but you're still Johnny Choir Boy when it comes to dropping your pants and giving her a good knobbing!?
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Show me the power child,
I'd like to say,
That I'm down on my knees today,
Gives me the butterflies,
Gives me away,
'Til I'm up on my feet again,
I'm feeling outshined.
My girlfriend is on "the shot" (it's The Pill in the form of a shot that lasts longer). I'm glad she's on it because if an accident were ever to happen and she became pregnant... My money is sucked up way too much as it is, which means I may not be able to afford the child if it were born and raised. Especially due to the fact that the girlfriend doesn't have a job, lives off state money for being disabled, and doesn't want to get a cheap job that'll pay about $8.50 an hour that you can probably easily find because she's a full time student and doesn't want to be a full time student and full time worker. Add onto that the fact that she's not very bright at all. If she were to ever have a child of her own she'd be rather clueless as to how to take care of it while I'm away on the job. I could just see it now... "Chamzel! The baby crawled into the washing machine and I thought I'd give it a bath, so I turned the machine on! I didn't know it would kill the baby, waaaah!"
I personally would not have sex with anyone I was not married to.
I'm not sure about the logic of the whole 'sexual investment' thing, heh, I just choose to act this way because I believe it's the moral thing to do.
I personally also don't see any problem with contraception, but again that's the interpretation of the Bible that I personally feel makes sense. There were various parts of the Law Covenant that prohibited such things as neutering, and I believe there was also the case of a man who was put to death for Interrupted Intercourse in ancient Israel. However, the reasons for that man's death are not clearly given (it could be a number of related things, it's certainly not conclusive enough to base an entire doctrine on). What's more, the Christian view is that Jesus did 'take the Law with him to the grave', but fundamental principles and features of it remained -- such as fornication (anything between an unmarried couple that involves the sex organs, including sex and the various alternatives), adultery, the consumption of blood, use of idols, etc.
I find it hard to understand why God would consider the 'death' of a sperm cell to be the same as the death of a human though, since not only is such a cell only half the genetic data required (even less than a skin cell!), but also several billion are released during normal sexual relations. Considering the law of probability, not every one of them is going to latch onto the egg, which naturally will result in the 'deaths' of those sperm cells. If God so highly viewed the individual sperm cell, you'd think he'd make the reproductive system a bit less 'hit-and-miss' rather than condemning humans for wasting just a few thousand, and then allowing billions of those cells to die when humans do something he always intended them to do.
I personally believe that a human life begins at conception -- when the two cells combine their genetic data and cell multiplication is ready to begin. For that reason I'm against abortion.
Sex in my opinion does exist ultimately so that humanity grows in number. But it's still (apparently) fun, and I'm sure God wouldn't give humans something so beautiful, only to frustrate them by saying that they have to endure the pain and trouble of rearing a child every time they want to enjoy one happy moment of intimacy together. Otherwise children would cease to become an object of love and affection and end up being viewed as nothing but the irritating results of having a good time.
I am still against masturbation, however. Not for the 'death of a sperm cell' reason, but for simpler reasons. Firstly, the apostle Paul told Timothy to 'flee from the desires incidental to youth' (2 Tim 2:22) so that he could 'call upon the Lord out of a clean heart'. Then consider that Jesus said that anyone who so much as looks at a woman with the wrong thoughts in his heart has already as good as committed adultery with her (Matt 5:2. Masturbation is almost always with sexual thoughts in mind, which brings a person worryingly close to what Jesus was saying. There's a lot more to it than that of course, but I sense this is getting to be another long post, and you probably don't like me knocking the idea of masturbation. For some of you I'm sure it's your only hope!
Others I'm sure have their reasons for feeling differently, but those are my opinions and reasons for what they're worth.
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, but if you have sex then its like.. well now what..? It can also causes problems too, like STD and accedental pregnecies.
As in "not share it with everyone"
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