You need to understand that you said you liked the graphics. Now in my mind, graphics are worth at least 1-2 maybe even 3 stars of the rating, yet you still gave it 0 stars. You're making no sense, and now you're panicking.
I'd say it's because he thinks that it's worth less than it is. If it already had an average rating of 3, he'd probably give it a rating of 2-4 for graphics. Downvoting is his right, just as long as people could give 5 star votes without reason.
Thus, my idea of using median instead of mean, it nullifies votes on both extremes.
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AndyUK: Of course it's wrong to give a comrade a 5-star rating just because he/she is a friend of yours. But not that many people have ever complained about games getting too high ratings (except when a offensive/pornographic/non-game-game gets 5 stars from a**es trying to be funny), we have only started threads about this higly debated 0-star rating. And the 5-star rating isn't the subject here at all, keep focus on the relevant matter, the 0-star rating.
Of course people don't complain about high scores. Where would that get you? Nowhere.
There are plenty of games that i think have a far too high score. I think it happens because people have a fairly short memory and label anything half decent 'THE BEST GAME IVE EVER PLAYED ON TDC' If i disagree with them i simply make my own vote. I don't ask people to change their opinion and i don't assume they're just doing it because they like that person.
Which is why Adam, you should'nt assume people only vote 0 to piss off the creator. Phred's case might be a little different but the only person that really knows is Phred.
Originally Posted by Muz I'd say it's because he thinks that it's worth less than it is. If it already had an average rating of 3, he'd probably give it a rating of 2-4 for graphics. Downvoting is his right, just as long as people could give 5 star votes without reason.
Thus, my idea of using median instead of mean, it nullifies votes on both extremes.
Is abusing the rating system a right?
People voting 5-stars tend to give their reason, they often "love it", "loving it" can easily be interpreted as "being in awe to the degree that I cannot express myself clearly", and those 5-star ratings (except when an offensive/pornographic/non-game-game gets 5 stars from a**es trying to be funny) are usually there hand in hand with more 5-star ratings. 0-star ratings however are almost always a contradiction to every other rating (except for the ZD/Kazuma issue, they're both a**es), so I cannot see the blame in asking a person to stand up for their opinion, regardless if it's a down voting or a up-voting.
Funny how it's agitated several other people apart from myself.. I'm sick of the lengths people are going to, to make excuses for Phredreeke (naturally AndyUK will defend him) when it was a pretty obvious attack, as were the down-votes on Codemonkey's game by ZD and Kazuma. Something needs to be done about it.
I actually can't do anything else than agree with Adam. We have a very obvious problem with the 0-star rating, it should be taken care of. Hopefully Mr. New Admin will make a poll on the issue so we can settle it once and for all.
Originally Posted by Eternal Man [EE] Is abusing the rating system a right?
Unfortunately, that's exactly what I meant. But the thing about games is that, unlike movies, anything below say, 70% is considered poor and the best ones will hover around 90%+. I think it is a bit unfair that some games who receive only about 5 votes or so are rated higher than other great, epic games that 40 or so people vote on. That justifies downvoting. I don't like how games like Somiumstrike 2 (as good as it is) outdoes Knytt Stories.
Under a "fair" system Knytt Stories should easily outrate most other games, what with it being the only game there that's appeared well outside the community as an indie game legend. But that's the flaw of our highly democratic system.. in a democracy, everyone has equal right to being an idiot.
In conclusion, you have to choose between a detailed voting system or a more democratic one. And a fully democratic system will have little difference to a completely despotic one. It's impossible to get the right mixture.
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Originally Posted by -Adam- Funny how it's agitated several other people apart from myself.. I'm sick of the lengths people are going to, to make excuses for Phredreeke (naturally AndyUK will defend him) when it was a pretty obvious attack, as were the down-votes on Codemonkey's game by ZD and Kazuma. Something needs to be done about it.
You're making assumptions again.
Phred told me privately in messenger that he genuinely thought his score was fair, But i said it was a bit harsh of him and that the graphics and general presentation were worth a few stars alone.
But, whatever. I'll leave it now so as to not make the situation any worse
Oh please, just because someone had the opportunity to post a hassle of mathematics does not mean we should end the discussion, that would just be stupidious and plain out lame. No offence to you Justin C, seriously.
I read the article, and of course, Muz, it proves your point.
But it only works if you're talking about an election or the likes. Because in these cases we have more stand points than in regular hands-up voting systems, we have more places to voice or opinion than simply by a vote. We have comments, we have download numbers, we have reviews, we have gotw etc. It would be narrow minded of us to allow misbehaviour just because we found an easy formula that justifies it for us. Bring the question out to the public instead of presenting hard-as-nails arguments/formulas for how it theoretically should work.
Regards //EE
Lol, my point is that the voting is either democratic or dictatorial. There is no perfect voting system, just a "more suitable" one. And finding a more suitable one means that you'll have to be ignoring the opinions of some to empower some other people. And as another article shows, which I'm too lazy to find, if you let most people's opinion count, there's pretty much no opinion.
I did my research
You can't really call it misbehavior, though. IMHO, Streetwise is rated higher than it does deserve to be (sorry, Adam) and that one downvote still doesn't change the fact. It that case, it actually seems fair. Maybe the way Phred did it was a bit rude, but one could say he took the bullet and did the right thing. Seriously, do you want the game you worked on for 6 months to be rated lower than Streetwise, which was made in less than 20 events? I don't think even Adam would like Lilykin to suffer that fate.
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26th September, 2008 at 06:21:44 -
All this arguing! I have an idea...
Why don't we get rid of the stars, and go with these thumb icons , spreading the range from 0-50%, 51-100%. OOH, and give anonymity to the voters, so no one can start fights off of ratings.
Maybe that'll fix the problem this time?
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, spreading the range from 0-50%, 51-100%. OOH, and give anonymity to the voters, so no one can start fights off of ratings.