Lol, I was thinking about locking that thread from all the flaming. Geez, you guys should learn to fight over consoles without fighting each other
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I keep meaning to get my Dreamcast out again for a blast - i only bought it off eBay about 18 months ago, never had one before. What games would you recommend?
NES has SMB3 though, a tough title to beat (not to mention zelda, metroid, SMB, etc). Also love my SNES for SMBW, MarioKart etc.
I own a Megadrive and a Master System since back in the day. Alex Kidd was awesome, the Death animation was hilarious and ace as well as the animation. The sound of Bowh Bowh Bowh Bowh Bup! topped it off too perfection. I feel old now! (I know there is some awesome titles on megadrive and Master System too )
I always thought Sega made awesome hardware (Master System leaves the NES in terms of graphics) but the 3rd party games was hit and miss. I mainly collect 8 bit era, finally maged to get a copy of Ghostbusters for the Master System and New Ghostbusters 2 for the NES (a ghostbusters game from back in the day thats not rubbish!). Gaming bliss right now
Still can not stop playing Sensible Soccer either (megadrive)
I recently bought the First Asterix game for the Master system. Fantastic game. I bought a Snes too (I just remembered that topic I started) I'm kinda disappointed with it though! When doing a random search on Ebay for PAL games about 95% of them were bloody sports games. Terranigma is one I have my eye on but it's expensive.
I might get Super adventure island though.
There are a lot of qaulity titles on the NES. Platformers like Castlevania, Mr Gimmick, Batman, Ninja Gaiden III, Shatterhand are always fun. Never got into Super Mario 3, it has too much content and it doesn't have a save system does it?
Originally Posted by OldManClayton Before I go blabbing on the SEGA topic: Does Phredreeke care if this thread goes off-topic?
Well, the thread was asking a question and the question got answered. Let's derail this
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I was always the kid without a console (all we had was an IBM XT), my parents didn't think a console would be good for us, but my friends were always the NES and later SNES kids. The kids with SEGA consoles were the ones I got in fights with in the school yard.
Lol the Sega kids was always the cool moody ones! (stereotypes ahoy!).
I had a NES, and was given the Master System from my cousins in the early to mid nineties. I brought the Megadrive 2 myself in about 1995/1996 just to play Sonic, it was about 30 quid in Safeways (which no longer exists). I have started a ZX Spectrum collection off too, but I need more tapes.
My Dad had a IBM XT too, 10 Megabyte hard drive and a CGA display. Battlechess was awesome on it! Also remember some golf game that was kinda fun as a kid, you could build a golf course, and for some reason you could place dinosaurs on it.
I got a dreamcast but I don't have many games and only one controller. Need to fix that...
The only contact I had with SEGA was through Sonic CD (my brother was a mad sonic fan). I didn't even know they made consoles for the longest time. I remember thinking it was so cool and kind of foreign when I went to someone's house and they still had their kid's old Genesis. But not because I was a nintendo kid. I was a "Vidier games? What's them? :B" kid.
I would love to see SEGA (and Apple) jump back into the console race. But then I guess that would be too many current-gen consoles. And I have enjoyed seeing SEGA focus on software. So instead, we should have a "photoshop the next SEGA console" contest.
You could always just download some iso's for Dreamcast, it doesn't have any copy protection. I actually got it for games that I can't get anywhere anyway.
I shudder at the thought of an Apple console. I guess it will have shiny plastic, a lockdown on any software bar anything Apple approves or makes and an intuitive controller, like a big disc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA
Sorry for being cynical but I am not an Apple fan
I wish it was just Nintendo and Sega as the mainplayers still
After multiple red rings and fixes (real fixes, not the blanket trick) I have gotten sick of this thing breaking down on me. So i took it outside, filled it with news paper and set it on fire. After it finished burning i smashed it with a sledge hammer for a bit.
"After multiple red rings and fixes (real fixes, not the blanket trick) I have gotten sick of this thing breaking down on me. So i took it outside, filled it with news paper and set it on fire. After it finished burning i smashed it with a sledge hammer for a bit."
I'm sorry to hear that, but it WAS a refurbished console. The RROD is what one would expect.
I strongly suggest giving Microsoft a second chance, the Xbox 360 S has no RROD.
Yeah, I'm going to buy a brand new xbox eventually, but my money is tied up at the moment. I don't blame microsoft at all for what happened, it was after all, refurbished.
I just hope you did not breathe in any of the fumes. Plastic fumes are very very toxic, not to mention some of the other nasties that are used in electronic goods.
Originally Posted by 0ko I strongly suggest giving Microsoft a second chance, the Xbox 360 S has no RROD.
It still does. It just doesn't actually display the RROD anymore. It's like treating syphilis by covering the lesions with clothing. The problem still exists, it's just covering up the symptoms.
Also, why is this thread still going? It should have ended like 31 posts ago.
MS releases the Xbox 360
The Xbox 360 RRODs
MS releases the Xbox 360 Elite, with a new motherboard with HDMI
Xbots claim new 360 motherboard is immune to RROD
The Xbox 360 Elite RRODs
MS creates a new motherboard "Falcon" with 65nm CPU
Xbots claim new 360 motherboard is immune to RROD
The Xbox 360 "Falcon" RRODs
MS creates a new motherboard "Jasper" with 65nm CPU and GPU
Xbots claim new 360 motherboard is immune to RROD
The Xbox 360 "Jasper" RRODs
MS releases new Xbox 360 S
The Xbox 360 S is actually immune to RROD because they removed the red lights in the ring...
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Actually, the Xbox S is immune the RROD because it has heat sensors which shut down the xbox upon detecting too much heat.
Also, the Xbox S cooling system is simply brilliant. No longer is the GPU trapped under the disc drive, as the GPU and CPU are merged and have one large fan overhead.
Making the system quieter and far cooler.
It is too bad people such as "PhizzyPhan" and "aphant" see the need to spread false news in order to taint the 360's reputation.
I think the damage has already been done. It's pretty hard to get rid of something as infamous as RROD even if the newer revision models were totally invincible. (The reputation, not the actual fault)
Originally Posted by PhizzyPhan69 The 360 has a history of new models "fixing the issue", only to have it break again, so forgive me for my lack of faith
Originally Posted by 0ko Actually, the Xbox S is immune the RROD because it has heat sensors which shut down the xbox upon detecting too much heat.
Also, the Xbox S cooling system is simply brilliant. No longer is the GPU trapped under the disc drive, as the GPU and CPU are merged and have one large fan overhead.
Making the system quieter and far cooler.
It is too bad people such as "PhizzyPhan" and "aphant" see the need to spread false news in order to taint the 360's reputation.
Having one large fan isn't going to do anything. The way the fan is oriented is important, and the way it's oriented in the Slim makes for poor air flow, and thus not good for cooling. It's pushing air out 90° away from the direction fresh air comes in.
The new slim models are still having hardware failures due to heat and cooling issues. It's not misinformation if it's true.
Originally Posted by 0ko Actually, the Xbox S is immune the RROD because it has heat sensors which shut down the xbox upon detecting too much heat.
Also, the Xbox S cooling system is simply brilliant. No longer is the GPU trapped under the disc drive, as the GPU and CPU are merged and have one large fan overhead.
Making the system quieter and far cooler.
It is too bad people such as "PhizzyPhan" and "aphant" see the need to spread false news in order to taint the 360's reputation.
Having one large fan isn't going to do anything. The way the fan is oriented is important, and the way it's oriented in the Slim makes for poor air flow, and thus not good for cooling. It's pushing air out 90° away from the direction fresh air comes in.
The new slim models are still having hardware failures due to heat and cooling issues. It's not misinformation if it's true.
Go buy an Xbox 360 S, have it break on you through normal use, then come here. Otherwise, unless you can cite your claims with enough proof and unbias reports... I don't have reason to believe you. From what I've read, the new Xbox 360 Slim does address the General Hardware Failure issue.
Sorry, it had to be said. I mean no disrespect to you, but support your claims if you're going to try to deface a console.
The new slim model does reduce the "RROD" issue from previous models - it has better cooling and a system in which the console shuts down if it gets too hot. The issue isn't 100% gone - it's impossible to completely eradicate the problem (some PS3s and Wiis have been known to overheat too).
Basically, the chances of the slim model getting "RROD" have been reduced significantly. That still won't persuade me to buy one though
As long as your reasoning is other than "They break", then its a matter of preference and thats fine. It's just irritating to see people slander their opinion as fact and also people who insist that their half supported exaggerated ideas are facts.
Originally Posted by SiLVERFIRE As long as your reasoning is other than "They break", then its a matter of preference and thats fine. It's just irritating to see people slander their opinion as fact and also people who insist that their half supported exaggerated ideas are facts.
Originally Posted by PhizzyPhan69 Timeline of Xbox 360 hardware
MS releases the Xbox 360
The Xbox 360 RRODs
MS releases the Xbox 360 Elite, with a new motherboard with HDMI
Xbots claim new 360 motherboard is immune to RROD
The Xbox 360 Elite RRODs
MS creates a new motherboard "Falcon" with 65nm CPU
Xbots claim new 360 motherboard is immune to RROD
The Xbox 360 "Falcon" RRODs
MS creates a new motherboard "Jasper" with 65nm CPU and GPU
Xbots claim new 360 motherboard is immune to RROD
The Xbox 360 "Jasper" RRODs
MS releases new Xbox 360 S
The Xbox 360 S is actually immune to RROD because they removed the red lights in the ring...
What part of that post is opinion? I never actually said the Xbox 360 S would break either, all I said was they removed the red lights in the ring
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Originally Posted by SiLVERFIRE As long as your reasoning is other than "They break", then its a matter of preference and thats fine. It's just irritating to see people slander their opinion as fact and also people who insist that their half supported exaggerated ideas are facts.
Originally Posted by PhizzyPhan69 Timeline of Xbox 360 hardware
MS releases the Xbox 360
The Xbox 360 RRODs
MS releases the Xbox 360 Elite, with a new motherboard with HDMI
Xbots claim new 360 motherboard is immune to RROD
The Xbox 360 Elite RRODs
MS creates a new motherboard "Falcon" with 65nm CPU
Xbots claim new 360 motherboard is immune to RROD
The Xbox 360 "Falcon" RRODs
MS creates a new motherboard "Jasper" with 65nm CPU and GPU
Xbots claim new 360 motherboard is immune to RROD
The Xbox 360 "Jasper" RRODs
MS releases new Xbox 360 S
The Xbox 360 S is actually immune to RROD because they removed the red lights in the ring...
What part of that post is opinion? I never actually said the Xbox 360 S would break either, all I said was they removed the red lights in the ring
Don't even try to pull that, you knew exactly what you said.
A lot of MS and Sony fan boys on here. I had problems with my PS1 (lasers/CD clip breaking), PS2 (power supplies) and thus refused to buy another Sony console. My Xbox has been fine, only person I did know who had a RROD kept it in a very confined cupboard thingy under the tv.
Bring back the days of quality consoles... my NES, SNES, N64, Master System and Megadrive still work fine. The nes carts need a clean sometimes thats it. My newly aquired Atari 2600 6 switcher is also touchwood fine and built like a tank.
Ive never had any problems with any of my consoles ever. Even our Amstrad cpc home micro we bought in 1988 or something works fine to this day. Our Pcs usually break after about 3 to 4 years though. Still, having problems with a PC wouldn't make me rush out and buy a Mac.
Lol my "Mac temptation" was mainly for logic... I have not brought one and my PC is fine . Might just buy a copy of Cakewalk Sonar and a Soundblaster X-fi.
All my consoles are fine apart from my PS1 and PS2, which sit under my bed gathering dust in the hope that one day I will be bothered to fix them. My Sony HiFi aslo broke - I did not even bother looking at that, it went in the tip. I now have seperates and I am never going back to an integrated "Hi-Fi".
Even my Dragon 32 and Cassettes still work - which my Dad brought in 85 I think, and I got it when my dad got the IBM XT.
Originally Posted by SiLVERFIRE Go buy an Xbox 360 S, have it break on you through normal use, then come here. Otherwise, unless you can cite your claims with enough proof and unbias reports... I don't have reason to believe you. From what I've read, the new Xbox 360 Slim does address the General Hardware Failure issue.
Sorry, it had to be said. I mean no disrespect to you, but support your claims if you're going to try to deface a console.
First off, bravo for assuming I don't have a Slim. Assumptions don't make you look foolish or anything.
(Also, @hagar: I'm a 360 owner myself, and I don't have a PS3. Haven't had any hardware issues with it either. Mines been going strong since 2005. Just mentioning it in case you were assuming I'm a Sony fanboy, which doesn't make a lick of sense; Bashing the 360 doesn't necessarily mean Sony fanboy! They could be PC gamers or Nintendo fanboys.)
The new Slim has the GPU and CPU on the same chip and a new larger fan is on the heatsink. Well, the fan is blowing air away from the heatsink. There needs to be a fan blowing air into the unit to replace the air that's blown out for efficiency, and the Slim doesn't have one. The fan is also pushing air 90° away from where the vent holes are, meaning the entire heatsink isn't getting cooled with what little air the fan can suck in. This inefficient cooling leads to heat build-up. (Also, the fan might be quieter because of it's bearing. Sleeve bearings are generally quieter than ball bearings, but tend to have a much shorter life expectancy!)
Heat build-up is no big deal though. The Slim doesn't have a red ring to display anything anymore. Like I said before, its treating the symptom (RRoD) without curing the disease (overheating). Have no fear, because instead it displays a red dot! The dot, and the fail-safe, doesn't exist so Microsoft could err on the side of caution. It exists because the unit will still overheat; When, not if.
And then sometimes the fail-safe goes overboard. In this video, the unit is said to have overheated after an hour of play the night before, and doesn't turn back on. The unit has to be replaced. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou8qyWGwZJg
You can find a trove of more videos on Youtube, and reports from searching on Google. The Slim still has heating problems, and it still affects the hardware. The disease has not been cured.
that's too bad. Especially since it seems like something that could be solved real extra manufacturing costs since all that's needed is side vents for the cool air to come in.
Actually, my modified 360 has one PC fan on top blowing cool air in, and two PC fans at the back sucking hot air out. The original fans have been completely removed.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.
@ aphant:
The fan is not quieter because of it's bearings, but simply because it is larger and henceforth doesn't have to spin faster.
While you bring valid points to the table, you're still saying "OMGZ EVERY 360 CONSOLE IS GOING TO RROD" and that (further) hurts the 360's rep. A GPU no longer trapped under a disc drive and a fan far closer to both GPU and CPU are points you're ignoring for one small issue: not enough cool air getting in.
Then by posting one video and saying that there are "many others" on youtube and reports on Google, you're IMPLYING that it is happening to everyone, when in fact it is not.
In short, you're making a lot out of very little. Haha, kind of like what the media likes to do: THE SWINE FLU IS A EPIDEMIC IT WILL KILL EVERYONE!
We don't give a shit about the 360's reputation. Everyone knows it has the RROD, people buy them anyway because of its overhyped, sorry I meant superior online service.
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Where did I say every new console is going to break? Oh that's right, I didn't. I'm not implying that the problem is happening for everyone, either. I'm saying (and showing) that the problem is still there, and it's not just a single oddball case of one unit out of millions that's defective. Hundreds of units are having issues. If there was a widespread problem, THEN THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MASS RECALLS. No mass recall, not a widespread problem. But the problem IS still there, it's just being covered up better by removing the ring of light and having the overheat fail-safe. (And the fail-safe exists so that Microsoft can save money on repairing units!)
Speaking of repairs, the new S only has a one year warranty for General Hardware Failures: "Warranty Period" for Xbox 360 S, means 1 year from the date You purchased the Xbox 360 S from an authorized retailer; from https://support.xbox.com/support/en/us/nxe/hardware/warranty/warranty/ProductWarranty360s.aspx
We'll have to wait and see if the warranty period is extended to three years, like the warranty for the old model was.
It really doesn't matter if the GPU has been moved away from the disc drive or not. Just like a computer, air needs to circulate through the unit to keep it cool. Get air circulating under the disc drive (old models, of course) and it'll help. Get some cool air blowing into the unit (new model) and it'll help.
And yes, the type of bearing in the fan has an impact on the noise. A sleeve (or plane) bearing will typically be quieter than ball bearings, but ball bearings will last about 3 times longer than a sleeve bearing. I'd imagine that sleeve bearings are much cheaper to produce, too.
PhizzyPhan: You're just a typical Sony fanboy (I know it's Sony because of your amount of rage and jealousy).
aphant: Sorry. It's just that your manner of speaking influenced people not to buy Xbox360's (and that was making me angry). You influenced Ricky, that's for sure. Your last post made up for it though.
Rage? I'm not the one getting butthurt because someone else "is hurting their console's reputation"
Jealousy? As I said I have both consoles, but I hardly ever use the 360 because the PS3 has much better games (Uncharted series, Little Big Planet, Ratchet & Clank series, Resistance series...)
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Originally Posted by PhizzyPhan69 FYI I have both 360 and PS3.
Rage? I'm not the one getting butthurt because someone else "is hurting their console's reputation"
Jealousy? As I said I have both consoles, but I hardly ever use the 360 because the PS3 has much better games (Uncharted series, Little Big Planet, Ratchet & Clank series, Resistance series...)
Just because you own both doesn't mean you're not a fanboy. Stop using that as an immediate diffuse because how you act and what you own are two completely different things.
I tend to be more of a hater than a fanboy. For example, I can't stand anything made by the pretentious pricks at Apple
but I am by no means a windows fanboy.
Ok, so I must consider both consoles equally good not to be a fan boy then? And I must not ever mention the RROD, because that would portray the 360 in a negative manner, nor the fact that Xbox Live costs money when PSN is free?
And there are flaws with the PS3 too, what comes to mind is that game updates takes AGES.
I don't care who made the console, I care about the games. I used to think the Xbox 360 was awesome, I still think it's a pretty good console but I like the PS3 exclusives better.
I mentioned those PS3 games (that I own and enjoyed!) to show I have no reason to be jealous, although I must admit Halo 3 was a pretty good game.
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Originally Posted by Ricky Really? I hated halo 3 the guns weren't loud enough, I didn't care about the story, and i hate FPS games without a mouse. Half Life 2 is way better.
I really enjoyed Halo 3. I typically hate console FPS's too. The only two console FPS I like were Halo 3 and Time Splitters, and I only enjoyed Time Splitters for the split screen and level editor.
I agree, a FPS just isn't the same without a mouse and keyboard. In fact, a lot of games aren't as good without a mouse and keyboard. And for the few that are in fact better with a controller, just plug your Xbox 360 controller into your computer. Or if you have a PS3, I believe it's possible with a blue tooth receiver, to get a Dual Shock 3 controller working on a PC too.
So lets just end the topic with... PC gaming ftw, okay guys?
Originally Posted by SiLVERFIRE I agree, a FPS just isn't the same without a mouse and keyboard. In fact, a lot of games aren't as good without a mouse and keyboard. And for the few that are in fact better with a controller, just plug your Xbox 360 controller into your computer. Or if you have a PS3, I believe it's possible with a blue tooth receiver, to get a Dual Shock 3 controller working on a PC too.
You don't need a bluetooth receiver, you can plug it in with a USB to miniUSB cable.
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Here's my opinion - i hate Microsoft for letting my 360 Elite break! I hardly ever canned it and kept it clean and well ventilated, but it has 2-red lights anyway and won't even open the DVD tray, let alone play anything! Just ordered another Arcade 360 off the interweb tonight so i can carry on playing Guitar Hero Metallica. Never thought i'd buy a replacement console, i'm not the person to throw money around like that.
That said, i love my 360. I truly believed it's the best console i've ever owned, despite the abysmal reliability.
However, since the 360 has been down (for about a month and a half now), i got playing some PC games (see my olf thread about playing Postal 2), and now i have moved on to my old PS2 again.... and i have to say i've fallen in love with that again now! There were simply a colossal amount of games on that console! And yes, many were shovelware, but the majority were 5/10 games or above and since i love all games, it has a huuuuge back catalogue that i find myself playing. Hell, i even bought another PS2 game from eBay the other day (Star Trek Encounters, if you're curious).
Saying that though, the PS2 is prone to unreliability too (albeit it hasn't actually broken down and needed replacing), such as some games won't load unless the console is upside-down/on its side/on its back, etc. And the PS1 CD-holding bearings all fell out on that console. So Sony kinda suck too!
Then again, consoles these days are so much more complicated than back in the 16-bit days, internally-wise, so what do you expect?
Originally Posted by SiLVERFIRE I agree, a FPS just isn't the same without a mouse and keyboard. In fact, a lot of games aren't as good without a mouse and keyboard. And for the few that are in fact better with a controller, just plug your Xbox 360 controller into your computer. Or if you have a PS3, I believe it's possible with a blue tooth receiver, to get a Dual Shock 3 controller working on a PC too.
You don't need a bluetooth receiver, you can plug it in with a USB to miniUSB cable.
I stand corrected, but you're only proving my point that PC is all around better and has stood the test of time, standing above on the podium laughing as console gamers slapped and fought each other about which of them is superior. Neither.
Playing Assassin's Creed 2 on 360 or PS3: Buy the game, insert the disc, play it.
Playing Assassin's Creed 2 on PC: Buy the game, register an account on UbiSoft's website, hope the authentication server doesn't go down while you're playing or you'll get kicked out of the game.
Not to mention games like Uncharted 2, Halo 3 and Super Mario Galaxy that are console only.
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Playing Assassin's Creed 2 on 360 or PS3: Buy the game, insert the disc, play it.
Playing Assassin's Creed 2 on PC: Buy the game, register an account on UbiSoft's website, hope the authentication server doesn't go down while you're playing or you'll get kicked out of the game.
Not to mention games like Uncharted 2, Halo 3 and Super Mario Galaxy that are console only.
It's been in my experience that for the most part, PC ports look a lot better and thats reason enough for me to prefer PC. They also generally have better support, more content, and that content is also generally free. Look at Team Fortress 2 and Portal.
Playing Assassin's Creed 2 on 360 or PS3: Buy the game, insert the disc, play it.
Playing Assassin's Creed 2 on PC: Buy the game, register an account on UbiSoft's website, hope the authentication server doesn't go down while you're playing or you'll get kicked out of the game.
Not to mention games like Uncharted 2, Halo 3 and Super Mario Galaxy that are console only.
It's been in my experience that for the most part, PC ports look a lot better and thats reason enough for me to prefer PC. They also generally have better support, more content, and that content is also generally free. Look at Team Fortress 2 and Portal.
It really depends upon the game and the publisher. If Valve release a multi-platform game then I'll buy it for PC. If UbiSoft do, then I'll buy it for console (mainly because of their DRM methods).
Plus there are lots of games on consoles which aren't on PC which are more appealing to people. FIFA 10 for example is pretty terrible on the PC compared to the console versions. There really aren't that many PC exclusive games which would warrant just owning a PC for gaming - but the whole PC vs Console debate is stupid anyway, because everyone owns a PC and can buy games for a PC if they like.
Originally Posted by Flava There really aren't that many PC exclusive games which would warrant just owning a PC for gaming - but the whole PC vs Console debate is stupid anyway, because everyone owns a PC and can buy games for a PC if they like.
You forget that not every PC is created equal.
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Originally Posted by Flava There really aren't that many PC exclusive games which would warrant just owning a PC for gaming - but the whole PC vs Console debate is stupid anyway, because everyone owns a PC and can buy games for a PC if they like.
Originally Posted by Flava There really aren't that many PC exclusive games which would warrant just owning a PC for gaming - but the whole PC vs Console debate is stupid anyway, because everyone owns a PC and can buy games for a PC if they like.
You forget that not every PC is created equal.
Some of us like to put our money to good use.
Unfortunately not all of us have the money to waste on fancy graphics cards and CPUs
But flava, a good graphics card costs about as much as a good console. A lot less even if you are willing to go with the previous generation which usually isn't that much worse.
And you don't need a fancy cpu, they don't really matter as much as the gpu. A basic core2 will run most games just fine.
Originally Posted by Ricky But flava, a good graphics card costs about as much as a good console. A lot less even if you are willing to go with the previous generation which usually isn't that much worse.
Unless you have a laptop
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Originally Posted by Ricky But flava, a good graphics card costs about as much as a good console. A lot less even if you are willing to go with the previous generation which usually isn't that much worse.
And you don't need a fancy cpu, they don't really matter as much as the gpu. A basic core2 will run most games just fine.
Exactly.
$150 video card which plays everything a $300 console plays...
Originally Posted by Ricky But flava, a good graphics card costs about as much as a good console. A lot less even if you are willing to go with the previous generation which usually isn't that much worse.
And you don't need a fancy cpu, they don't really matter as much as the gpu. A basic core2 will run most games just fine.
Exactly.
$150 video card which plays everything a $300 console plays...
Originally Posted by Ricky But flava, a good graphics card costs about as much as a good console. A lot less even if you are willing to go with the previous generation which usually isn't that much worse.
And you don't need a fancy cpu, they don't really matter as much as the gpu. A basic core2 will run most games just fine.
Exactly.
$150 video card which plays everything a $300 console plays...
But it doesn't play everything a console plays..
Mario, Halo .etc .etc
That was not the point I was countering. Trust me, the only reason I even have a Wii, PS3, and Xbox 360 is for the exclusives. I know this.
Originally Posted by Ricky But flava, a good graphics card costs about as much as a good console. A lot less even if you are willing to go with the previous generation which usually isn't that much worse.
And you don't need a fancy cpu, they don't really matter as much as the gpu. A basic core2 will run most games just fine.
Exactly.
$150 video card which plays everything a $300 console plays...
But it doesn't play everything a console plays..
Mario, Halo .etc .etc
That was not the point I was countering. Trust me, the only reason I even have a Wii, PS3, and Xbox 360 is for the exclusives. I know this.
Again, the point I'm trying to make is that a PC vs Console debate is stupid. The games differ, the systems differ, the controls differ - they're pretty much two completely different platforms which do different things.
It seems to me like you're saying the PC is the best platform for gaming - and the other point I'm making is that it does do some things better than consoles, but consoles also do things better than the PC. There is no "best" platform between consoles and PCs. Heck there isn't even a "best" platform between PS3, 360 and Wii - it's all personal preference, which is why I hate these discussions (even though I can't help but take a part in them!!)
PC gaming is nowhere near as good as it was beck i the day (circa 1990 - 2005), which i think is a crying shame! As much as i love my consoles, and i really do, if i could run the same game as well on a PC as i could on a console, i'd buy the PC version almost every time. I just prefer the extra depth most PC conversions have over their console brothers, as well as the mouse/keyboard interface.
I just wish there were more games out on the PC like there used to be!
Originally Posted by Ricky LOL "1990-2005" you cut it off just when steam get's introduced. And steam has made PC gaming so much better.
I wouldn't say Steam made everything better. I'd say Steam saved PC when all the other companies decided they made more money feeding games to the very jerks in school who made fun of us 2 years prior, for being so much into electronics. You know, the ones who didn't even know what a GB was until MP3 players took off, and probably still don't know what it means, only that they want more because it's a bigger number. Yeah, those guys.
Developers decided we were a niche and wanted to appeal to a more general audience. That's why instead of getting an even more complex sim city 5, we got sim society
OH GOD YES... SOCIETIES WAS A FAILURE OF THE HIGHEST DEGREE. I was so disappointed. Sim City 4 was so magnificent and Sim City Societies was enough to make a dedicated fan commit suicide.
Same goes for when EA decided to bend their will across Spore. Don't get me wrong, it's a fun game... but Will Wright intended for a much more in depth experience and none of his idea's seemed overly enthusiastic. They all seemed very realistic, but they weren't in the realm of casual gaming so EA was like "No, lets simplify it and make it cartoony. Beautiful, now release it with the most annoying DRM security."
Originally Posted by Ricky LOL "1990-2005" you cut it off just when steam get's introduced. And steam has made PC gaming so much better.
Pure coincidence, though i disagree about Steam making it better than the 1990's scene. Back then, PC was streets ahead of anything consoles could do, and the new game release schedule was far more packed with AAA titles than it is now.
I think the nice thing of the old days was that there was a big difference between a PC and a console. Now 2 of the 3 consoles are basically PC's stripped from most functions. I don't see a big difference between the gfx of either PC, Xbox360 or PS3.
Yeah, most games look the same on PC, PS3 and 360.
I'd say Uncharted 1&2 are the most graphically impressive games I've seen, but that's probably because of the work put into the game and not because of the hardware they run on.
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Originally Posted by Hayo I think the nice thing of the old days was that there was a big difference between a PC and a console. Now 2 of the 3 consoles are basically PC's stripped from most functions. I don't see a big difference between the gfx of either PC, Xbox360 or PS3.
Yes, totally agree. And it almost feels like sometimes they're all trying to imitate what each other was good at, e.g. with consoles now being home of FPS like the PC was 10 years ago.
I can barely control the Wii interface after over a year... theres no way in hell I'd ever be able to play a FPS on it even remotely as accurate as on Xbox 360.. much less a PC.
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(and old school gamers do not rely on saves! 
Need to fix that...
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the guns weren't loud enough, I didn't care about the story, and i hate FPS games without a mouse. Half Life 2 is way better.
